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Dunno ..., I think / feel some suggestive comments on here are hardly knowing the full facts.

I seriously would like to see an update on the Masterplan where all fits in (Tiger Territory and Lions of Gir et cetera). Only, then can one make any measured assessment of which primate species are likely to stay or go.

I would expect the gibbons, macaques and langurs in their present locations and given the lion development over here do not fit the theme. Much more likely something will give near / next to Tiger Territory (hoped for ..., not fact).

I think the macaques will stay during the redevelopment at the expense of the spider monkeys.

Not sure if its been mentioned on this thread but the Servals have left (for Marwell?_)
 
A pity, though weren't they siblings?

All the Terrace primates will be housed off-show at Whipsnade whilst the redevelopment occurs. No news as to which, if any, will return.

On a separate note, wasn't there once a Monkey Rock at London? Where was this and why/when did it disappear?
 
Does the new Lion area encompass the area their cages are in? If so, they must at least move them. If not , they may just stay where they are.

Full plans are available on the Westminster planning site.
 
On a separate note, wasn't there once a Monkey Rock at London? Where was this and why/when did it disappear?

Yes, it was behind the Mappin Terraces and was built in the 1920s, lasting until shortly after World War II I think. There was a large group of hamadryas baboons and they had to be broken up due to excessive fighting caused by poor female-male ratio. That's all I know off the top of my head, I'm sure others on here know about it in more detail.
 
On a separate note, wasn't there once a Monkey Rock at London? Where was this and why/when did it disappear?

Yes, it was called "Monkey Hill" and was behind the Mappin Terraces, roughly where the animal hospital is.

It originally housed eighty hamadryas baboons which were introduced in 1925.
 
there's a photo of a rocky baboon enclosure here dated c.1913 (figure 2) 26 – Jul 13 – London Zoo | The Pulham Legacy which must be an earlier version if Monkey Hill opened in 1925?

Via the magic of google I found a book called "Evolutionary Psychiatry" by Anthony Stevens and John Price (published in 2000) which says Monkey Hill covered a ground area of 30 metres by 18 metres. One hundred hamadryas baboons were put on display in 1925. The group was supposed to be entirely male but six females were introduced amongst them by mistake. Within two years 44 of the baboons had been killed by the others, and an uneasy state of "peace" settled amongst the inhabitants. Then the zoo released 30 more females into the enclosure and within a month 15 of them had been killed by the males. By 1930 there were 39 males and 9 females left.


There's a newspaper article here from 18 July 1925 too: 18 Jul 1925 - WONDERS OF LONDON ZOO. Antics of a Gorilla. A Be...
Since last Bank Holiday a new attraction has been added in the form of a large monkey hill. It was an immense success with the crowds. The hill, which is situated at the back of the Mappin Terraces, takes - the form of a rocky prominence about 50 ft in height, surrounded by a deep ditch which separates the inmates from the visitors, and on this rocky structure about 100 large sacred baboons from Abyssinia have been turned, loose. The hill is not only picturesque, but is the last thing in comfort from the monkeys' point of view, being provided with heated caves, into which the animals can retire on cold days, and which, during the dull weather will be illuminated with special "sunlight" lamps generating ultra-violet rays. In the old days the monkeys in the zoo were kept in heated cages, and as a result died of tuberculosis and rickets. For some time past those in the Regent Park menagerie have been given access to the open air in winter as well as in summer, with extremely satisfactory results. The new conditions approximate to the ideal. Artificial sunlight, which has been recently used with such success on sickly children, is also being installed in an experimental monkey house which is nearing cornpletion, and it is the hope of the zoo authorities eventually to provide it in most of the houses in the gardens.
Chivalry Among Baboons
At first male monkeys only were introduced on the hill, as it was feared that the presence of females would lead to strife. It was decided, however, later to include a few females and some young, and this was done at the end of last week, not without a certain amount of anxiety. Fortunately, no untoward incident took place, the females, with their offspring, being in fact given a hearty welcome and taken charge of by the largest male baboons, who were particularly kind to the babies, the little monkeys being taken up into the arms of their adopted fathers and nursed somewhat against their wills.


In additional interesting asides, the enclosure was damaged by one of the few bombs which hit the zoo in WWII, which blew a crater in the top but all the monkeys were unharmed:
The Animals in the Zoo Don't Mind the Raids - The War Illustrated
Monkey Hill received a direct hit, which freakishly blew half-a-ton or so of the concrete of the hill over the parapet without damaging the latter at all. The monkeys escaped because, like good citizens, they had taken shelter. They were all in the inner fastnesses of the hill and none was injured. Next morning, far from showing any sign of shock, they were enjoying the new opportunities for gymnastic play afforded by the crater and the tumbled blocks of concrete around it.
 
I am sure that the picture featured in this link is Monkey Hill and that the date of 1913 is wrong.
I thought that was probably most likely, but I know the zoo was experimenting with keeping monkeys outside prior to Monkey Hill (but I don't know if they had anything other than cages for the monkeys before the construction of Monkey Hill).
 
The servals weren't siblings, they had a pair of beautiful cubs about ten years ago – I have a photo of them somewhere. Anyway, hope they're happy where they've gone as I will miss them... perhaps someone at Marwell can let us know?
 
Then the zoo released 30 more females into the enclosure and within a month 15 of them had been killed by the males. By 1930 there were 39 males and 9 females left.

Socially it was highly unsuitable. Apparently (so I read somewhere) it was the excessive competition which resulted in the deaths of the females, each time one died 'fights would rage around the body for days'. Not an attractive spectacle for visitors.:eek:
 
I have been told that monkey hill was often roped off with a sign directing visitors to the monkey house. I suspect this may be why.
 
I have been told that monkey hill was often roped off with a sign directing visitors to the monkey house. I suspect this may be why.

Fascinating tie-in with my comments above. We are nothing if not diligent researchers...:)
 
There are currently more lemurs including this summers babies in the off show area behind Tiger Territory -you can see them from Regents Park.

Given the roundhouse group of ring-tailed lemurs are all male, it sounds as if London have brought in new animals, possibly from Whipsnade? I would assume it is this group that will go into the walk-through, although I think the roundhouse cage is not up to standard for a species that can so easily be housed in more open, naturalistic surroundings.

The fact that London are designing a walk-through with a mesh roof suggests to me how difficult it is for a central London zoo to satisfy licensing requirements. I would go as far to say this is perhaps why there has been so little development of the North and South banks given their proximity to the zoo boundaries and lack of perimeter fencing (on the south side). I also wonder if the escape by the squirrel monkey group shortly after the opening of their exhibit (resulting in them being prevented from accessing the mature trees in the exhibit from then on) was a factor in a lemur walkthrough being given a netted roof. If so, what a shame they have to operate under such risk-averse conditions. Tigers are one thing, small primates are entirely another.
 
. I also wonder if the escape by the squirrel monkey group shortly after the opening of their exhibit (resulting in them being prevented from accessing the mature trees in the exhibit from then on) was a factor in a lemur walkthrough being given a netted roof. If so, what a shame they have to operate under such risk-averse conditions. Tigers are one thing, small primates are entirely another.

Well, the Park has never changed its attitude so ZSL will have to find ways of dealing with it. And having had Entellus Langurs escape from the Mappins, Squirrel Monkeys from Meet the Monkeys and Colobus from Gorilla Kingdom in recent years it's hard not to have sympathy with the Council.

Personally I think the chances of a child being bitten by a monkey (which it would probably approach) are quite high, and primates are much better escapologists than big cats.
 
The location matters.
A lemur wandering across the Inner Circle in Regents Park at the wrong time of day could cause a traffic accident and/or panic in the queue at the Zoo's entrance. It's not the same as the farmland and parkland around Cotswold or Howletts, or even the suburban streets around Clifton College in Bristol (to name three other lemur walkthroughs at random). The local conditions must be taken into account, that's why local authorities were given the task of licensing zoos.

Alan
 
Last post aside, there's a certain irony in having people shake their heads in disapproval at the perils of allowing an animal to escape from a walk through enclosure, road traffic accidents and 'panics in the queue' notwithstanding.
 
a fully-netted enclosure surely gives a lot more usable space for the lemurs though because there aren't the issues with trying to prevent them being able to get over the top. The walk-through at Melbourne Zoo (Australia) is fully-enclosed and it is great.

Has there been any real consideration at the zoo (not just on here) to turning the Snowdon Aviary into such a walk-through? I know colobus were discussed on here at one point, and I believe someone or two has suggested lemurs for it. Are there any structural problems with having lemurs in there? It seems like a perfect solution because it is really big, already in existence, and you can still have birds in there as well. Seems like a win-win all round.
 
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