Mr.Ivory
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North American Asian Elephant Population 2021
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I just found this video of Fahim with Trong Nhi and Nhi Linh, looks like they are trying to breed them and Fahim seems to have a liking for Nhi Linh (she seemed pretty interested too!). Hopefully, once they confirm pregnancy they send the girls over! I really hope this doesn't mean plans have been delayed or worse cancelled.
Mr.Ivory
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Well I think it somewhat cancelled, the Dublin's importation of Yasmin, Anak, Kabir, and Sanjay the genes from Maxi (Sire of Fahim, and Upali the father of Kabir, and Sanjay) the Maxi genes are already somewhat represented in the US. Hope I am wrong through
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Rotterdam still needs to get the girls out though, and DC is in a sticky situation for breeding, so I’m sure that the two facilities are still working on the import. I hope it’s just a little hush and the girls are maybe just taking a while to crate train or fall pregnant. Honestly the reason they haven’t been moved yet is anyone’s guess.
I thought the move was planned for 2022 so it’s still early?
I do not see reproductive behavior. I see more of subordinate/dominance assorting behavior. Plus Fahim was more interested in the cow next door. I am surprised he haven’t tried to climb over the cables. He was disrespecting it big time. They better put up some electric fence.
I do not see reproductive behavior. I see more of subordinate/dominance assorting behavior. Plus Fahim was more interested in the cow next door. I am surprised he haven’t tried to climb over the cables. He was disrespecting it big time. They better put up some electric fence.
I believe this herd is the best herd I have ever seen back in 97, they appeared to be very well cared for and do not appear to want for anything. I had seen all of the out the back off display yards and inside the barn also. We have had resently animal rights activists protesting here in Australia over the killing of mice in what was said to be the worse mice plague ever recorded, They wanted people to catch them and take them else where??????, for release.
I take very little stock in what these groups say. 
I believe Rotterdam said the girls were going to be sent elsewhere by the end of next year (and this was back in late 2020) meaning it should be anytime now.
Oh whoops, I'm not too well versed in dominance asserting behavior so I guess I read that situation wrong. Fahim is scheduled to move to another facility, Lodz I think, fairly soon so that's probably why they haven't really done anything about the fences. I think I read somewhere that the enclosure wasn't really fit for a bull like Fahim or something like that.
Fahim is a smart bull, and tests everything. Rotterdam relies a lot on hotwire and other fairly "low security" options for their main outdoor yard. If he was allowed in, he would likely either escape or wreak havoc in the enclosure. Plus once again, apperantly Irma doesn't like him.
Really, with their current setup and wants, they likely need an older, low energy bull who could be allowed regular access to the main yard, and who Irma would actually maybe get along with. Those were the issues with Timber and Fahim, apparently Irma was not compatible with either of them.
Really, with their current setup and wants, they likely need an older, low energy bull who could be allowed regular access to the main yard, and who Irma would actually maybe get along with. Those were the issues with Timber and Fahim, apparently Irma was not compatible with either of them.
They. Need to spice up their elephant space for bulls like him.
Thanks. As I recall Alexander did well there. I think it was his calf that they did a c section with from Irma.
We are now talking about UK elephants on a North American thread. Oops.
bindu might be a good choice. I don’t think he has that many offspring either and koln uses the other bull more.
Mr.Ivory
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I think Bindu is also an excellent choice for Rotterdam, another good choice is Ankhor, or Aung Bo
https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...DNKfWRT7LtmSx6tSYqjXrtEhveFEoLSs07vSQnmqDovRQ
And I guess this confirms it.
Applicant: Smithsonian National Zoo and Conservation Biology Institute, Washington, DC; Permit No. PER0017129
The applicant requests a permit to import two female captive-bred Asian elephants ( Elephas maximus ) from the Rotterdam Zoo, Rotterdam, Netherlands, for the purpose of enhancing the propagation or survival of the species. This notification is for a single import.
And I guess this confirms it.
Applicant: Smithsonian National Zoo and Conservation Biology Institute, Washington, DC; Permit No. PER0017129
The applicant requests a permit to import two female captive-bred Asian elephants ( Elephas maximus ) from the Rotterdam Zoo, Rotterdam, Netherlands, for the purpose of enhancing the propagation or survival of the species. This notification is for a single import.
Great news! So happy to see it being confirmed. Also, when do you think the import will take place then?
Mr.Ivory
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Probably next year or in a few months when both Throng Nhi and Nhi Linh are both confirmed pregnant
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I can’t imagine it’ll be til February at minimum. The agency needs to wait for comments and then respond to those comments. Then make a decision and after that the zoo can proceed but will likely have to actually coordinate it.
Good to see! I'm inclined to agree with Mr.Ivory, they've likely been waiting to file their paperwork until the cows have been confirmed pregnant. Makes sense if you can get them both pregnant before having them arrive, especially if they have female calves, it could be a real boost to the Smithsonian's herd in the long term! ( and assuming Spike ends up living out his life at the Smithsonian, which I personally think is quite likely, more breeding partners for him as well, which is excellent. )
I just took a look at the comments posted so far and all 3 of the ones there have been posted by animal rights activists and all are about how the move is bad and how "elephants should not be used for entertainment at zoos and should be moved to sanctuaries..." 
With all these negative comments and probably more in the future, is it possible that the permits will be declined? Sorry if that's a dumb question, I'm just not very familiar with this whole process.
With all these negative comments and probably more in the future, is it possible that the permits will be declined? Sorry if that's a dumb question, I'm just not very familiar with this whole process.
I just took a look at the comments posted so far and all 3 of the ones there have been posted by animal rights activists and all are about how the move is bad and how "elephants should not be used for entertainment at zoos and should be moved to sanctuaries..."
I find it highly unlikely that it could be denied due to animal rights activist pushback. I mean no offense to anyone, but everyone knows how some of them can get so I’m sure it’s no surprise that they’ve begun commenting.
I just took a look at the comments posted so far and all 3 of the ones there have been posted by animal rights activists and all are about how the move is bad and how "elephants should not be used for entertainment at zoos and should be moved to sanctuaries..."
To be expected. Its part of the democratic process and I am happy decisions like this are made in rhe open. I disagree with most those comments but plenty of permits and rules have gone forward with worse comments than that. Comments are also not all created equally as the government may choose to weigh expert opinion and interest groups over others.
USFWS in this case is nor deliberating on how humane having elephants in zoos is and imagine the agencies replies will say this. They are simply deciding the impact of the action (importing 2 captive bred elephants from Europe) on the listed species’ population. This is a fairly clear cut decision in that case, compared to the previous African elephant imports. Those obviously had valid questions to be asked about the impacts on the species due to the elephants being wild caught.