Whoosh...
(I was referencing the similar attitude of Smash Bros fans who always complain when the new DLC character isn't exactly who they wanted. Wario actually is in Smash Bros
)Planet Zoo Planet Zoo!
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(I was referencing the similar attitude of Smash Bros fans who always complain when the new DLC character isn't exactly who they wanted. Wario actually is in Smash Bros
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BetoYoung
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nah, i was just kidding. but i find it very nice that you said a reference of a mario bros games,Whoosh...
(I was referencing the similar attitude of Smash Bros fans who always complain when the new DLC character isn't exactly who they wanted. Wario actually is in Smash Bros
I'm not quite sure where this underlying assumption came from that because more animals were being added to the game, every animal was going to be added to the game and it's some sort of betrayal if it doesn't happen. 
(I lie - I know where it came from: standard human nature - but it's still odd how seemingly angry the idea that the game might be finite makes some people..!)
A nice batch of animals if (as it seems) this is what it ends on. Bit odd that there were no Exhibit animals for the last two, particularly for this grab-bag one (I suspect an internal resources decision) - all the more so that five more butterflies or five extra dart frogs or something would have seen them hit the big 2-0-0. The tortoise is one of those odd animals that I'm not crazy excited about but being such a classic zoo species I'll probably end up using every time.
Could I sit here and list things I wish had made it in? Yes, of course (mara, coati, an African croc, any bird you like...). Could I even think of specific swap outs for this pack? Also yes (a small ungulate was a definite gap but I would have picked pudu to get some more South America in there) - but that would mean losing a perfectly good animal (dik-dik is a great call in itself). Does this leave some annoying gaps (all the bears but one..!) Yep, probably. But I fear that fixating on what the pack isn't stops you enjoying what is there, and what is there looks great.
Also, a baboon and the Markhor were two of my biggest 'wants' so I'm predisposed to like this I guess.
(I lie - I know where it came from: standard human nature - but it's still odd how seemingly angry the idea that the game might be finite makes some people..!)
A nice batch of animals if (as it seems) this is what it ends on. Bit odd that there were no Exhibit animals for the last two, particularly for this grab-bag one (I suspect an internal resources decision) - all the more so that five more butterflies or five extra dart frogs or something would have seen them hit the big 2-0-0. The tortoise is one of those odd animals that I'm not crazy excited about but being such a classic zoo species I'll probably end up using every time.
Could I sit here and list things I wish had made it in? Yes, of course (mara, coati, an African croc, any bird you like...). Could I even think of specific swap outs for this pack? Also yes (a small ungulate was a definite gap but I would have picked pudu to get some more South America in there) - but that would mean losing a perfectly good animal (dik-dik is a great call in itself). Does this leave some annoying gaps (all the bears but one..!) Yep, probably. But I fear that fixating on what the pack isn't stops you enjoying what is there, and what is there looks great.
Also, a baboon and the Markhor were two of my biggest 'wants' so I'm predisposed to like this I guess.
This is what I mean i my post above - you like the pack but because there is another pack you can invent that you'd also like and that isn't this one you call the pack horrible.
I think if I were you I'd prefer to concentrate on the first four words of your post and not let the latter bit trouble me.
filovirus
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I hesitate to buy any more DLC because I'm mostly waiting for Planet Zoo 2. After seeing the new pathing systems in Planet Coaster 2... yeah. I need PZ2 and I need it now lol.
Edit to add that I am not at all surprised that birds didn't make an appearance. It's the perfect selling point for a sequel (besides better pathing... please frontier I beg)- why throw it in during the last DLC? Save it for the next one.
I've enjoyed PZ1 but eagerly, eagerly await PZ2. The planet coaster improvements in the sequel seem HUGE, with better pathing and way more customization when it comes to decor.
Edit to add that I am not at all surprised that birds didn't make an appearance. It's the perfect selling point for a sequel (besides better pathing... please frontier I beg)- why throw it in during the last DLC? Save it for the next one.
I've enjoyed PZ1 but eagerly, eagerly await PZ2. The planet coaster improvements in the sequel seem HUGE, with better pathing and way more customization when it comes to decor.
Yep, I think this is going to be one of those animals that becomes an absolute staple for the playerbase. I remember people saying similar things about the spectacled caiman a couple years back and now I've heard from many players it is their go-to crocodilian due to it not being too big or too small! In the case of the tortoise, its just such a versatile animal I'm really glad to have it here.
filovirus
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I love tortoises. They live for an eternity (great investment in terms of money-per-day-alive), don't need a lot of space or upkeep, and they fit well into the small nooks and crannies of a zoo.
...they lose all their charm once you have a breeding pair. It's all fun and games til you have to house several dozen baby torts that aren't sellable for 40 years.
...they lose all their charm once you have a breeding pair. It's all fun and games til you have to house several dozen baby torts that aren't sellable for 40 years.
Madadad
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I'm not quite sure where this underlying assumption came from that because more animals were being added to the game, every animal was going to be added to the game and it's some sort of betrayal if it doesn't happen.
(I lie - I know where it came from: standard human nature - but it's still odd how seemingly angry the idea that the game might be finite makes some people..!)
A nice batch of animals if (as it seems) this is what it ends on. Bit odd that there were no Exhibit animals for the last two, particularly for this grab-bag one (I suspect an internal resources decision) - all the more so that five more butterflies or five extra dart frogs or something would have seen them hit the big 2-0-0. The tortoise is one of those odd animals that I'm not crazy excited about but being such a classic zoo species I'll probably end up using every time.
Could I sit here and list things I wish had made it in? Yes, of course (mara, coati, an African croc, any bird you like...). Could I even think of specific swap outs for this pack? Also yes (a small ungulate was a definite gap but I would have picked pudu to get some more South America in there) - but that would mean losing a perfectly good animal (dik-dik is a great call in itself). Does this leave some annoying gaps (all the bears but one..!) Yep, probably. But I fear that fixating on what the pack isn't stops you enjoying what is there, and what is there looks great.
Also, a baboon and the Markhor were two of my biggest 'wants' so I'm predisposed to like this I guess.
Can't help but share your sentiment. A lot of internet people have some very high expectations, and some very few expect way more out of Planet Zoo than can even be possible in the current engine (Like macaws and full aquatics!)
Me personally, I very much like this pack as a fan of primates, I'm glad to have a sifaka and baboon. I'm also kinda sad there's only one South American monkey, but a lot of the SA monkeys are fully tree-bound and the game engine as it stands just isn't ideal for that (A golden lion tamarin or howler spending most of its time walking on the ground wouldn't exactly be ideal, right?).
edit: current engine*
USZOOfan42
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How are you surprised? If it was habitat birds they for sure should have been in the pack. Aviaries on the other hand…
Panda_Fan
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I think this pack is good for the most part, but not great. I really thought that they would go for 12 animals. If the coati, tree kangaroo, howler monkey, walrus and secretary bird would have been added, this pack would be a 10/10.
Maybe they are doing a part two?
I just wanted my coati.
Maybe they are doing a part two?
I just wanted my coati.
USZOOfan42
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The game also has 195 animals with this pack, I wish and heavily doubt that we get another pack with: Secretary Bird, Tree Kangaroo, ABB, Coati and King Cobra.I think this pack is good for the most part, but not great. I really thought that they would go for 12 animals. If the coati, tree kangaroo, howler monkey, walrus and secretary bird would have been added, this pack would be a 10/10.
Maybe they are doing a part two?
I just wanted my coati.
Panda_Fan
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Maybe they have more animals in this pack but wanted then to keep them secret, but highly doubt it.
I don't expect them to give me every animal I want (not gonna perfectly please everyone) so I can't complain. And there are some good additions here, I have been wanting the spectacled bear, sifaka, and the markhor. The Pallas' cat and dik-dik are also very cool.
The only major complaint I have is that it leaves the game with a serious lack of New World monkeys. Monkeys are such a staple in zoos, and having only one New World species feels like such a big oversight. Maybe PZ2 will correct that problem.
The only major complaint I have is that it leaves the game with a serious lack of New World monkeys. Monkeys are such a staple in zoos, and having only one New World species feels like such a big oversight. Maybe PZ2 will correct that problem.
Fair point, it does seem like arboreal species were a challenge for them. Although I do think that tamarins could have worked for walkthrough exhibits. Have a few different species like they did for butterflies.
PZ2 will surely be done on the new game engine, so I bet arboreal, flying, and fully aquatic species will be more doable. Already got me thinking about what the roster for PZ2 could be, ha ha.
Casual reminder that your average fanmade zoo game roster features every single animal in existence.
TBH, I've felt like the walkthrough bats and sloths were mostly them testing the waters for how flying/arboreal species could work in the long run.
Here is my wishlist based on the animals that are yet to appear from the Zoo Tycoon Franchise either if this pack isn’t the last pack or the sequel.
Savannah or Safari Pack: Masai Giraffe, Secretary Bird, Honey Badger, Gerenuk, Olive Baboon, Blackbuck, Nile Crocodile, and Onager.
Mountains or Highlands Pack: Bighorn Sheep, Gelada, and Ethiopian Wolf.
Forest Pack: American Black Bear, Mexican Grey Wolf, Japanese Serow, Barbary Macaque, and Iberian Lynx.
Rainfoest Pack: Indian or Indochinese Leopard, Javan Rhinoceros, Crested Gibbon, and Mountain Gorilla.
Coastal/Tundra Pack: Sea Otter, Walrus, Southern Rockhopper Penguin, Emperor Penguin, and Muskoxen.
Savannah or Safari Pack: Masai Giraffe, Secretary Bird, Honey Badger, Gerenuk, Olive Baboon, Blackbuck, Nile Crocodile, and Onager.
Mountains or Highlands Pack: Bighorn Sheep, Gelada, and Ethiopian Wolf.
Forest Pack: American Black Bear, Mexican Grey Wolf, Japanese Serow, Barbary Macaque, and Iberian Lynx.
Rainfoest Pack: Indian or Indochinese Leopard, Javan Rhinoceros, Crested Gibbon, and Mountain Gorilla.
Coastal/Tundra Pack: Sea Otter, Walrus, Southern Rockhopper Penguin, Emperor Penguin, and Muskoxen.
Panda_Fan
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I think this pack is good and the roster is quite solid. The problem isn't the pack, but the perception of the fans. A lot of people became spoiled, including me, thinking that we would get 12 animals or a special mechanic added to the game if this was the zookeeper's animal pack/the last pack. The actual pack reflects reality. The sifakas animations are not an easy task, the dik dik requieres a new model and where getting a lot of scenery. The most of the PZ team moved to PlanCo2, so I see why we didn't get a "perfect pack". The expectations where to "perfect" in my opinion
That's on you, not them.
birdsandbats probably meant you as in plural.