Labour to ban zoos

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I do not agree with what she says at all as it would mean numerous animals shot or transferred to facilities abroad, where the conditions are probably worst.

We must remember that she is MP for Basildon and therefore, in her constituency, there is probably a lot of people who are against zoos after the horror of Basildon Zoo.
She clearly sees this as an opportunity to increase in her constituency. Another example of the constant political opportunism by all Uk political parties.

Furthermore, the Conservatives want to reintroduce fox hunting, as a party policy rather than a misguided MP searching for popularity. One MP should not make anyone change who they support but party policies should
 
Ned said:
Of course you put forward a sensible argument but I’m afraid I don’t have any faith in British political parties, I’ve seen too many governments come and go and never liked one of them. I’m also not entirely sure I believe in democracy either.
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All the local revenue is being wasted by the local councils on things we the public DON'T WANT OR NEED
I for one would love to come face to face with Ms Smith and tell her exactly what I think of her only problem is they won't let me in the looney bin
 
simmojunior said:
Furthermore, the Conservatives want to reintroduce fox hunting, as a party policy rather than a misguided MP searching for popularity. One MP should not make anyone change who they support but party policies should
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Another concern of mine.
 
Personally I would prefer UKIP but:
- it is not my bussines who you will vote for
- anyone else than that Angela Smith and group which tolerates her is probably a better option
 
Ned said:
Why does every keep banging on about conservation? There’s nothing wrong with keeping animals in zoos. I once went on a safari in Kenya and the animals looked just as bored as zoo animals supposedly do. I also remember watching a TV program about the conflict between people and wildlife in rural African. A man being interviewed said something along the lines of “How would Europeans like to live with lions and elephants, having their crops ruined and lives put in danger? Animals belong in zoos.” I don’t entirely disagree with him.
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Because thats the sole reason responsible zoo insist on their operating and to the lesser education. Can you imagine the hue and cry that would ensue if they said they kept animals in zoos for fun or entertainment.
 
Zambar said:
Another concern of mine.
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Just to point out that "ban on fox hunting" is misleading, it is a actually a ban on a particularly effective type of fox hunting using hounds. The alternative is generally shooting and, whilst using dogs hardly ever results in an injured fox getting away, this method can often result in animals dying in pain sometimes for days on end due to a poor shot. As such, if you really cared about animal welfare then you would be in favour of this "ban on fox hunting" (which was actually passed without going through the proper parlimentary channels) being over-turned.

PS. the whole thing is rather elementry really as it is virtually impossible to police the ban - I would imagine that a similar number of hunts go on as before the ban, they are just kept quiet.
 
Although these are carried out as proffesional culls; missed shots can occur every now and then, it can't be helped, but more often it is a better alternative of one shot killing a fo instantly without it knowing beforehand then having it's suffering drawn out for an incredibly long time as it is chased by hounds (which will go across a long trail for selfish entertainment of the huntsfolk), and in turn creates panic amongst a whole eco-system of wildlife around it. Another big factor aside from the killing of foxes (which, as I say, I would only accept in a professionally carried-out cull that has genuine benefits to the environment) is the fact that killing a living creature is percieved as sport, and people actually enjoy such bloodlust. It sickens me.

As such, no, don't tell me that I should see killing animals for pleasure as a good thing.
 
Redpanda this is how they hunt foxes near me!! Many hunts across the country, use an exemption that allows them to chase and kill foxes using birds of prey.

The hunt takes an eagle owl with it whose role is to attack and kill the prey - hares or foxes - that have been flushed out by dogs.

Hardly better!
 
On this issue of Fox Hunting were I live we've all noticed a very significent fall in Foxes in the countryside over the last 3 years and a massive increase of Foxes in the built up areas around were I live.
I have no problem in bringing back the Hunting of Foxes with dogs as long as it's done in the right part of the country, By this I mean in the towns and cities not the countryside.
The increase of Foxes in Urban area's is down to one thing and one thing only human waste, the stuff we throw away in the street from the take aways that have spread throiugh most area's like wildfire over the last 3 years.
So please bring back Fox hunting but only in towns and cities oh sorry they would not do that because one of the dogs or one of the horses or even one of the huntsperson may get slightly injured by a moving vehicle.

BRING BACK FOX HUNTING IN TOWNS AND CITIES WERE IT'S NEEDED ONLY!!!!
 
Looks like there is going to be a " VOTE CONSERVATIVE" on here soon! LOL. They certainally get my vote. Well the would do in a few more years when I can vote anyway.
 
zoofari said:
Because thats the sole reason responsible zoo insist on their operating and to the lesser education. Can you imagine the hue and cry that would ensue if they said they kept animals in zoos for fun or entertainment.
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Fun and recreation are important for individual health and social cohesion. I don’t see fun and entertainment as being derogative words to associate with zoos. I think zoos should promote the important role they play in enabling fun and recreation as well as conservation and education.
 
Zambar said:
Although these are carried out as proffesional culls; missed shots can occur every now and then, it can't be helped, but more often it is a better alternative of one shot killing a fo instantly without it knowing beforehand then having it's suffering drawn out for an incredibly long time as it is chased by hounds (which will go across a long trail for selfish entertainment of the huntsfolk), and in turn creates panic amongst a whole eco-system of wildlife around it. Another big factor aside from the killing of foxes (which, as I say, I would only accept in a professionally carried-out cull that has genuine benefits to the environment) is the fact that killing a living creature is percieved as sport, and people actually enjoy such bloodlust. It sickens me.

As such, no, don't tell me that I should see killing animals for pleasure as a good thing.
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I do not intend to turn this into a debate about the ethics of fox hunting, but would like to ask if you have ever witnessed a fox hunt or even spoken to someone who has taken part in one. I ask this because what you write is about as ignorant and biased as Miss Smith's claims in the article at the beginning of this thread. What's more, I would be prepared to bet that you eat meat which is also pointless killing as you could very easily become a vegetarian (which I am, but not for welfare reasons).
 
I think prior to stirring up non politically related issues labour MP's should concentrate on fixing the mess they have created within this country.:mad:

They should be more concerned over the fact that £1 in every £4 the country spends is borrowed. Maybe by sacking this MP would be a good start on making savings! Lol;)
 
I think it is pathetic that the newspaper could not come up with a better headline story for their edition yesterday .
 
Johnny Morris. said:
There is no way a Labour Government would try and impose a ban on zoos. If any of you truly believe this then you are sadly misgiven.

Agreed, clearly the Government said it has no plans to ban zoos.

Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: Government 'not planning zoos ban'

In general terms, 'conservation' represents both an ideology and a method for maintaining some semblance for the 'integrity' of the planet's biodiversity by safeguarding a state of non-human nature as we find it, as well as preventing wasteful or damaging practices. Concern for the decline of species indirectly represents recognition of the growing negative impact that human activities are having on natural habitats and the overall degradation of functioning eco-systems that support them. Zoo effort to conserve endangered species become part of an overall effort sustain biodiversity.
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What if Labour starts to conserve animals in the wild, then stops making new species endangered, then in future announces that all are safe but one, hah?
 
Well whether harmless or not,I have seen and heard two references to Angela Smiths comments about zoos in the media today so clearly her vile rhetoric has lodged in some brains[of sorts].The only saving grace is that she will probably not retain her seat.I once went to the CAPS A.G.M. and had a fantastic time arguing - I would not normally deem them to be dangerous but the fact is that they got good airtime on Radio 4 today [and well done David Field for such a spirited and unyielding reply].
 
Angela Smith does not speak for the Labour parties policy on zoos. She has her own opinion and agenda (which I believe to be misinformed and manipulated by CAPS). She has made it clear before - for example by boycotting a conference on voluntary action which happened to be held at London Zoo. (an action that the party distanced itself from as far as I know)
I find her an awful politician with little integrety as she should have been at that conference doing her job plus she happily talks about things (such as zoos) without doing basic research. This lack of research would prevent me from ever voting for her were I in a position to do so. However it would not be a factor that would affect whether or not I will vote labour. Their policies are not anti zoo and Ken Livingstone as Labour mayor of london supported London Zoo hugely. I'm sure you can find other zoo supporters in all of the major parties as BIAZA have had parlimentary receptions before.

I would rather see people spoil their papers as a protest then vote for parties whose policies they disagree with.
 
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