circus Memories- UK.

How many hours per day is Anne shackled in chains in both a front and back leg? Is it correct to transport an elephant around the country in a lorry when she has arthritis? When was the last time Anne interacted and had the company of other elephants?
Sorry I cannot give an answer to any of these questions as I don`t know,even if I did I wouldn`t say on here as it would just give people on here that don`t know how well cared for Anne normaly is,more ammo to moan about without knowing all the facts!!
 
It has recently been announced that Mr.Bobby Roberts of Bobby Roberts Super Circus has today been in discussion with R.S.P.C.A. officers and vetinary officers from the Zoological Society of London with a view of rehoming Anne the elephant at Whipsnade Zoo.
 
Confiscation is not good enough. This warrants prosecution and prison time. Scary to think these violent people are walking the streets. I wonder if they smack their women around too when they don't move fast enough.
 
I have worked in the zoo industry for along time and i am familier with techniques used to handle elephants (which to the average person could seem cruel in some cases) However i must say i was dissapointed at the treatment of this elephant, it seemed to me that most of the blows were completely unnecesary and Bobby Roberts witnesses the handler beat the elephant for no apparent reason in the video but makes no intervention
 
I have worked in the zoo industry for along time and i am familier with techniques used to handle elephants (which to the average person could seem cruel in some cases) However i must say i was dissapointed at the treatment of this elephant, it seemed to me that most of the blows were completely unnecesary and Bobby Roberts witnesses the handler beat the elephant for no apparent reason in the video but makes no intervention

I think you are incorrect in stating that Mr. Roberts witnessed the groom beating Anne, he is seen on the video standing in the barn looking at Anne, however the groom was not at that time present
 
and Bobby Roberts witnesses the handler beat the elephant for no apparent reason in the video but makes no intervention

This video has been very skilfully edited to create that impression.

TARZAN is correct - Mr Roberts is not in any of the frames where the elephant is being beaten.
 
As I stated earlier on this thread my first circus memories were seeing Billy Smarts elephants parading through the town as a small child, this certainly captured my imagination just like seeing the elephants at the new Casson Pavillion in London Zoo at about the same time. Last May I saw Anne out in the field on a private ground nearby where the circus was playing that week,I thought she was in good physical condition apart of coarse from being a bit wobbly in one of her back legs.I was aware at the time that this would probably be the last time I would see an elephant in a travelling circus and my thoughts were with all the pleasure these animals have given me personally, not only the ones at Robert Brothers but also at Hoffmans, Sir Robert Fossett and others.Anne's departure to Longleat is most significent, this is now the end of elephants in British circuses, perhaps we could spare a thought for Mr. Bobby Roberts when he drives Anne in the red and yellow elephant wagon through the gates of Longleat, handing over to the staff at the park and then returning to the circus without her, I am sure this will be a very emotional time for him and his family, they have done the correct thing however by rehoming her by finaly thinking of her future well being rather than their own personal attachment to the animal. Iwish Anne all the best and hope Mr.Roberts and his family have the pleasure of visiting her at Longleat for many years to come.
 
Confiscation is not good enough. This warrants prosecution and prison time. Scary to think these violent people are walking the streets. I wonder if they smack their women around too when they don't move fast enough.

I think we all wish that but as the person who abused this animal has now conveniently disappeared and apparently departed the UK so I am not hopeful.
 
As I stated earlier on this thread my first circus memories were seeing Billy Smarts elephants parading through the town as a small child, this certainly captured my imagination just like seeing the elephants at the new Casson Pavillion in London Zoo at about the same time. Last May I saw Anne out in the field on a private ground nearby where the circus was playing that week,I thought she was in good physical condition apart of coarse from being a bit wobbly in one of her back legs.I was aware at the time that this would probably be the last time I would see an elephant in a travelling circus and my thoughts were with all the pleasure these animals have given me personally, not only the ones at Robert Brothers but also at Hoffmans, Sir Robert Fossett and others.Anne's departure to Longleat is most significent, this is now the end of elephants in British circuses, perhaps we could spare a thought for Mr. Bobby Roberts when he drives Anne in the red and yellow elephant wagon through the gates of Longleat, handing over to the staff at the park and then returning to the circus without her, I am sure this will be a very emotional time for him and his family, they have done the correct thing however by rehoming her by finaly thinking of her future well being rather than their own personal attachment to the animal. Iwish Anne all the best and hope Mr.Roberts and his family have the pleasure of visiting her at Longleat for many years to come.

Yes I echo these sentiments.
 
I agree with you completely TARZAN. I had the pleaure of working with Mr Roberts and Anne a few years ago and have made a point of seeing her whenever they have been nearby.

Its a shame that the campaign has turned into more of a vendetta against Bobby Roberts than one solely concerned with Anne's welfare.
 
I agree with you completely TARZAN. I had the pleaure of working with Mr Roberts and Anne a few years ago and have made a point of seeing her whenever they have been nearby.

Its a shame that the campaign has turned into more of a vendetta against Bobby Roberts than one solely concerned with Anne's welfare.

It's been a well run vendetta against circus with animals for many years.

I have and still do know a number of circus animal trainers. They are an eclectic group and most are not all bad and many truly care for their animals and treat them very well. The relationship is very different from a zoo keeper/stock relationship as noted by Kiley-Worthington; I have a colleague in mainland Europe who has sea lions and these are basically an extension of his family and treated as such. It's a pity that it is now doubtful I will ever see his animals in a circus in the UK.

I seriously fear in all things to do with exotic animals in the care of humans as we are enter an age of welfare concerns driven by emotive rhetoric and the politics of animal-rights - one would have hope of better in the 21 Century. Even scientists who should know better appear to make crass statements. Take for example from an article in the Daily Mail:

Professor Stephen Harris, a wild mammal expert from Bristol University, who gave evidence to a Department of the Environment Circus Working Group, says: ‘What has happened to Anne is disgusting, but not unexpected.

‘You can’t control big wild animals without the use of force, and that means regularly beating the living daylights out of them. It’s as simple as that. For this reason, and for many others, wild animals should not be allowed in circuses.’

Indeed what happened to Anne was disgusting but to say that you can not train big wild animals without force is a total misguided nonsense speaking as some whose university dissertation covered this very issue:

Does the Carrot Need the Stick? Are aversive stimuli an obligatory component in the training and maintaining of behaviours in animals?

Of course, this is The Daily Mail and one hopes Prof Harris's words have been taken out of context because if not that doesn't bowed well for elephant handling i.e. 'big wild animals' in zoos and parks.

Unfortunately it seems that an article I wrote for the RATEL back in 1994 seems now to be coming true.
 
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I just came across this on Youtube...


...Martin Lacey ranting at a member of his staff who has erred. he sounds fantastically fierce. Anyone who has ever had problems with their employees will envy his ability to give a bloody good bollocking. The man goes up in my estimation!
 
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It was announced in Parliament yesterday that the government will not be imposing a ban on wild animals being used in circuses in the U.K.

Yes. I was informed about this by some colleagues who work in circus.

It appears that there may be no ban because it could be illegal.

Quote from the European Association of Circuses web site:
Austria instituted a ban on non-domesticated animals in the circus in January 2005. The European Commission determined that the Austrian ban violated Article 49 of the European Treaty and opened legal proceedings against Austria. However, the Commission dropped the case under pressure from animal rights activists. In June 2009, the European Ombudsman concluded his investigation, finding that the Commission had “abdicated its role as Guardian of the Treaty.” He recommended that the Commission reinstate the action or provide a legally valid reason for not doing so.​
It should noted that traditional circus in a number of European countries is considered culturally important and in some cases consider on a par with theatre and opera.

The UK government seems likely to bring in regulations if the banning was found to be against EU law which would be I suspect some form of Circus Licensing Act not dissimilar to the animal welfare components of the Zoo Licensing Act. Other European counties such as Germany, France and others have specific welfare regulations for circuses with animals and have done this for some years.

I have always supported the option of welfare regulation not a ban based in part on the two reports commission on the welfare of animals in UK circuses which I am sure I have cited elsewhere in this group in the past.

The first was undertaken by the well respected animal behaviour expert Dr Matha Kiley-Worthington and published in 1990 with the financial support of the RSPCA and The University Federation of Animal Welfare. Kiley-Worthington’s conclusions were that that circuses were by their nature not cruel and that any deficits in the husbandry of the animals within these environments could be addressed without the need of banning such enterprises.

To quote her: “..there is no reason why circus training, any more than any other animal training, of its nature causes suffering and distress to the animals, or should be considered ethically unacceptable" (Kiley-Worthington, 1990, p. 142).”

A copy of her report is here:

ANIMALS in CIRCUSES and ZOOS

A second report commission by DEFRA in 2007 went further and stated: “A ban on using wild animals in travelling circuses because of welfare concerns is not supported by the scientific evidence” and there was "little evidence" that the welfare of animals kept in travelling circuses was any better or worse than that of animals kept in other captive environments.

A copy of this report is here:

http://archive.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/welfare/documents/circus-report.pdf

I am aware that this is a controversial and emotive issue and currently The Independent newspaper has a campaign against circuses with wild animals; which I have say is incredibly one-sided and in many incidences contains large amounts of misinformation.

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It was announced in Parliament yesterday that the government will not be imposing a ban on wild animals being used in circuses in the U.K.

That is not quite what was said. James Paice MP asserted that "the proposals we will bring forward shortly will be tough enough to ensure that animal welfare in circuses is properly protected."
 
That is not quite what was said. James Paice MP asserted that "the proposals we will bring forward shortly will be tough enough to ensure that animal welfare in circuses is properly protected."

I have posted the legal reasons why there may not be a ban above.

It's possible that if there is no ban there maybe well be a species specific ban on some animals or make the standards of a level that they have to provide financially or practically impossible to comply with.

It is interesting that if you look at the Association of Circus Proprietors web site they have already imposed a species specific list of animals their members may or may not display and also welfare guidelines drawn up under the consultation with DEFRA and its advisers and with the British Veterinary Zoological Society the Association:

http://www.animal-public.de/images/stories/acp.pdf

This may form the bases of formal regulations in the future.
 
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That is not quite what was said. James Paice MP asserted that "the proposals we will bring forward shortly will be tough enough to ensure that animal welfare in circuses is properly protected."


Environment secretary Caroline Spelman announced today that any circus in England that has wild animals, such as tigers and elephants, will have to meet high welfare standards for each animal before it is granted a licence to keep them.

Full statement of DEFRA's web site:

Tough new licensing regime for wild animals in circuses Defra News

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I was sorry to see that Rhanee the Asian elephant has had to be euthanized at Wroclaw Zoo, Poland due to liver problems aged 41. Rhanee was previously owned by Mary Chipperfield Promotions and was one of the elephants involved with the animal cruelty prosecution involving Mary Chipperfield, her husband Roger Cawley and their groom.During her time with Mary Chipperfield she was hired out to various circuses in the U.K. including Gandey's and Santus, usually on her own. She was also on display at various zoos in the U.K. from time to time including Dudley, Woburn and Twycross, I would think she was at Twycross when Tonzi and Minbu were away at Chester. Following the Chipperfield court case Rhanee was sent to Rio Safari Park, Elche,Estepona Selwo Safari Park, later to Valwo Zoo , where she gained the companionship of Toto, a young bull elephant, they were later transferred to Wroclaw zoo where Rhanee ended her days. She was certainly a well travelled elephant, one thing that saddens me is that while at Twycross an offer for her purchase was made to Mary Chipperfield, as Rhanee had a very good temperment, the offer was turned down as Mary Chipperfield wanted her to continue to be hired out to circuses, she could have had a good permanent home at Twycross with the company of other cow elephants and looked after by good keepers.
 
The Crown Prosecution Service has agreed today to take on the prosecution of Bobby and Moira Roberts of Bobby Roberts Super Circus in relation to the mistreatment of Anne the elephant, 1) Causing the elephant to suffer unnecessarily by requiring the elephant to be chained to the ground at all times contrary to section 4(1) of the animal welfare act 2006. 2) Failing to take reasonable steps to prevent their employee from causing unnecessary suffering to the elephant, by repeatedly beating it,contrary to section 4(2) of the same act. 3) Failing to take reasonable steps to ensure that the needs of the elephant were met to the extent required by good practice, contrary to section 9 of the same act.
 
The Crown Prosecution Service has agreed today to take on the prosecution of Bobby and Moira Roberts of Bobby Roberts Super Circus in relation to the mistreatment of Anne the elephant, 1) Causing the elephant to suffer unnecessarily by requiring the elephant to be chained to the ground at all times contrary to section 4(1) of the animal welfare act 2006. 2) Failing to take reasonable steps to prevent their employee from causing unnecessary suffering to the elephant, by repeatedly beating it,contrary to section 4(2) of the same act. 3) Failing to take reasonable steps to ensure that the needs of the elephant were met to the extent required by good practice, contrary to section 9 of the same act.

This is an official statement from Robert's Circus relating to the matter of Anne prior to today developments.

We wish to correct the impression portrayed by some of the media of the care which Anne received and to publicly set the record straight following some quite misleading press reporting.

We believe that we have always observed high standards of animal welfare, consulting specialist vets where necessary and, when business times have been difficult, always ensuring that, as a priority, we employed a sufficient number of staff to care for all our animals. Our failure is not that we haven't fulfilled our responsibility for the care of our animals but that we now find that we have employed someone who had given every indication of being a hard-working and trustworthy employee but, clearly, our trust was misplaced.

The groom responsible for the incident had been in our employment since April 2010, working under Bobby's supervision and not giving us any cause for concern. The film sequence shows him striking the elephant with, what is, a plastic pitchfork but the sound to the film appears to have been added subsequently and exaggerates the force being used and the impact of the strike. There are two worrying aspects to the film footage. The first is that it shows Anne behaving quite naturally and placidly, standing in her normal position and, having watched the film repeatedly, there are no apparent reasons for him to suddenly strike her. The second concerns the hoodie, which the film shows to be pulled over his face and later the cap pulled down over his head. None of the Roberts' family can recall this man ever having worn a hoodie or a cap during the whole time he worked for us and we can't understand why he should need to wear them on the days when he committed such unacceptable and barbaric actions. This person disappeared as soon as we were informed of the press report and before its publication and, seemingly, he was aware of what was happening. We have given the police all the information which we hold on this man and fully support any attempts to trace him in the hope that it will lead to a prosecution.

Anne has been with this family for a long time and is now an elderly lady. She is probably at an age when she would riot have survived in the wild. Just over two years ago we took the heart-breaking decision that although she was very much a family pet it was time for her to pass to a suitable home for her retirement. At that time we made several enquiries with welfare organisations and animal parks in the hope that they could accommodate her in this country and in an environment of which we approved. There were no offers of accommodation for her in this country and we knew that she could not sustain a long journey by sea to any sanctuaries abroad. She had already been retired from performing and. because of her age and the arthritic condition in her back legs, we took the decision to leave her comfortably at home in our winter quarters until the weather was warmer and to see if she would settle being left behind and having only regular, but not daily, contact with Bobby. We have never given up our search for accommodation for her but left her at home, as a short term measure, to see how she would cope.

When the press reports arose we then received offers of accommodation for Anne, some of which were not practicable and none of which were we in any way forced to accept. She would remain with us until we were offered accommodation that was acceptable to us and would allow Bobby to maintain regular personal contact with her. We would never contemplate selling Anne, as has been suggested, and certainly would not accept anything which represented any payment for her. Even in her retirement, Anne remains a much-loved and well-cared for member of our family. Happily, we received an offer of a home for her from Longleat Safari Park and, after much consideration, and a great deal of sadness, we decided that Anne could retire to Longleat, secure in the knowledge that she would be well looked after in her retirement and, importantly, we could maintain our personal contact with her.

Last Sunday morning we accompanied Anne to her new home and stayed with her until yesterday evening so that she could be settled in her new environment and to be sure that her new keeper was familiar with her normal routine, particularly those little things in her life which she was used to and enjoyed so much. Sadly, we left Anne last night, feeling that we had taken the right decision for her and happy that she will be looked after with the same affection and care that she has been used to. We will miss her enormously and look forward to seeing her as often as possible. We have not in any way discarded Anne and she will remain part of our life.

We would like to thank not only our friends who have been so supportive, but particularly all those members of the public who have offered their support, appreciating the situation in which we have found ourselves, many of whom have criticised the way the matter has been dealt with by the press. We have made it clear that we do not condone any mistreatment of animals and will not tolerate it in our circus. We acknowledge that we have a responsibility and deeply regret what now appears to be an error of judgment in choosing a particular member of staff. We believe that our audiences and also our friends will continue to support us in the knowledge of how much we care for our animals. We will shortly be opening a new page on our website to keep you updated with information on Anne in her retirement at her new home at Longleat, where she will continue to receive our love and support.
 
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