European elephants

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Naing Thein (Prague Zoo, former Emmen Zoo)
01. 01.03.92 ♀ Mingalar Oo
02. 01.06.92 ♂ Bo Gyi †
03. 29.05.94 ♂ Kan Yome †
04. 23.08.94 ♂ Ant Bwe Lay. (to Pt. Scorff)
05. 09.11.97 ♂ Aung Naing. (to Kharkiv)
06. 23.12.97 ♂ Tsje Pyan (to Sevilla)
07. 08.02.98 ♂ Maung Htoo (to Sevilla)
08. 08.03.98 ♀ Ma Palai
09. 02.05.99 ♀ Ma Ya Yee
10. 16.07.01 ♂ Aung Bo (to Sevilla)
11. 03.03.02 ♂ Aung Si (to Sevilla)
12. 27.05.02 ♂ Kan Kaung
13. 05.09.02 ♂ Than Myan
14. 06.06.05 ♂ Letsongmon
All elephants were born in Emmen Zoo

Chieng Mai of Copenhagen:
01. 18.09.70 ♀ Irma (to Rotterdam)
02. 15.12.75 ♀ Schottzi (to Cincinnati)
03. 30.03.80 ♀ Maja †
04. 10.11.81 ♂ Chang (to Chester)
05. 18.03.83 ♂ Hakon † (in Givskud)
06. 22.01.86 ♀ Coco †
07. 22.10.91 ♀ deceased †
08. 15.03.96 ♂ Santosh † (in Plock)
09. 17.02.97 ♂ Hannibal †
10. 02.12.01 ♂ Punjab †
11. 20.03.06 ♂ Gandhi

Chang of Dompierre (former Chester)
01. 09.09.93 ♀ killed † in Chester
02. 19.12.95 ♀ Karha † in Chester
03. 31.12.97 ♀ Sithami born
04. 25.04.98 ♂ stillbirth † in Chester
05. 06.08.98 ♀ Tara (born in Twycross)
06. 27.08.98 ♀ Karishma (to Whipsnade)
07. 18.07.00 ♂ Po Chin (to Ieper)
08. 07.10.00 ♂ Assam (to Ieper)
09. 05.03.04 ♂ stillbirth † in Chester
10. 07.03.04 ♀ Sundara born in Chester.
11. 10.10.04 ♂ Tunga born in Chester

Hussein of Hamburg
01. 23.03.92 ♀ Ratna (to Münster)
02. 25.12.95 ♂ Tharun † (in Pont Scorff)
03. 09.01.96 ♂ stillbirth †
04. 04.06.96 ♀ Corny (to Münster)
05. 01.07.96 ♀ Salvana (to Leipzig)
06. 17.10.96 ♂ stillbirth †
07. 27.11.99 ♀ Sandry (born at Circus Knie)
08. 09.11.01 ♂ deceased †
09. 14.05.03 ♀ Kandy
10. 22.06.03 ♀ stillbirth †
11. 26.11.04 ♂ Thai
12. 11.04.07 ♀ Shila

Calvin of Hannover
01. 04.05.98 ♂ Samson (to Albuquerque)
02. 30.07.98 ♀ Annie † (in Perris)
03. 21.08.98 ♂ Amos † (in Perris)
04. 29.11.98 ♂ Albert (to Albuquerque)
05. 21.10.99 ♂ George (born in Rockton)
06. 29.04.01 ♂ Johnson (born in Rockton)
07. 25.11.01 ♂ Kandula (born in Washington)
08. 02.02.03 ♀ Califa
09. 20.03.03 ♀ Farina
10. 28.10.05 ♂ Tarak
11. 06.05.08 ♂

Mohti of Hannover
01. 07.06.64 ♂ stillbirth †
02. 24.09.64 ♀ Loti † (at Circ. Althoff)
03. 19.05.65 ♀ Tima (to Madrid)
04. 18.02.68 ♂ Tibur †
05. 19.03.68 ♀ Dehli (to Circus Knie)
06. 10.11.68 ♀ killed †
07. 07.03.70 ♂ Assam † (in Port Lympne)
08. 06.12.70 ♂ Ramon † (in Rotterdam)
09. 12.05.71 ♀ Sarah † (in Ermenonv.)
10. 23.01.73 ♀ Indra
11. 28.06.73 ♀ Rani † (born in Gelsekirchen)

Alexander of Amersfoort
01. 11.12.94 ♀ Piccolina (born in Rockton)
02. 11.01.99 ♂ Willi † (in Münster)
03. 28.11.00 ♀ Bangka (born in Rotterdam)
04. 20.01.02 ♂ Senang † (born in Rotterdam)
05. 13.05.03 ♀ Trong Nhi (born in Rotterdam)
06. 26.07.03 ♀ Anak (born in Rotterdam, to Dublin)
07. 21.02.04 ♂ Sibu (born in Rotterdam)
08. 02.08.05 ♀ Yindee (born in Amsterdam)
09. 07.05.07 ♀ Asha (born in Dublin)
10. 17.02.08 ♂ ?? (born in Dublin)

Maxi of Zurich
01. 27.07.84 ♀ Komali †
02. 24.05.85 ♀ Lohimi † (at Circus Knie)
03. 22.05.86 ♀ stillbirth †
04. 13.02.89 ♀ Panang (to München)
05. 13.06.92 ♂ Mac (to Kobe)
06. 14.11.94 ♂ Upali (to Chester)
07. 08.09.97 ♂ Xian †
08. 10.06.00 ♂ Aishu †
09. 13.05.02 ♀ Chandra
10. 03.05.05 ♀ Farha
11. 24.07.05 ♂ Fahim
 
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Notice that Naing Thein has not only the largest number of descendants but also the most of them still alive.
Bo Gyi was euthanized due to a broken spine after a fall into the dry moat (where he was kicked in by one of the other elephants). Kan Yome died the day he was born.
 
who would you say is the most impressive bull in Europe?.

Is there a move in any European zoos to move away from moats for elephants?
 
Top 10 of most succesful breeding facilities in Europe ever:

1 Hannover, 20 (16 EM + 4 LA)
2 Emmen, 18 (EM)
3 Chester, 14 (EM)
4, Cabarceno, 13 (LA)
4, Copenhagen, 13 (EM)
4, Hamburg, 13 (EM)
4, Howletts, 13 (LA)
4, Rotterdam, 13 (EM)
9, Berlin Tierpark, 12 (7 EM + 5 LA)
10, Port Lympne, 11 (EM)
 
MARK said:
who would you say is the most impressive bull in Europe?.

Is there a move in any European zoos to move away from moats for elephants?
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The newest exhibits have moats like this drawing. The elephants are standing left, the public on the right. The animals are able to walk into the ditch but cannot climb against the wall on the right.

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The most impressive bull in Europa is Radza of Emmen Zoo. See my gallery for some pictures.
 
Yes he does look very impressive in your photos and of great size, I hope he sires many more calfs
 
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Yes he does look very impressive in your photos and of great size, I hope he sires many more calfs
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He has got not a long time though until he reaches so called Menopause but then again Chieng Mai was active since he was 47. So far apprently he has not tried the cows very often.
 
Can anyone here give me a list of Europe's largest bulls?
I know that Radza is 3.25, 7.2 metric tons
Bindu is 3.15, 5.5 metric tons
And every other bull's measurements are a bit hazy. To me.
 
UntBwe said:
Notice that Naing Thein has not only the largest number of descendants but also the most of them still alive.
Bo Gyi was euthanized due to a broken spine after a fall into the dry moat (where he was kicked in by one of the other elephants). Kan Yome died the day he was born.
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Alexander could break him though, depending on how many confirm pregnancies there are at Amersfoort. And also Khaing Phyo Phyo of Antwerp.

Then again a number of his offspring have died.
 
UntBwe said:
Naing Thein (Prague Zoo, former Emmen Zoo)
01. 01.03.92 ♀ Mingalar Oo
02. 01.06.92 ♂ Bo Gyi †
03. 29.05.94 ♂ Kan Yome †
04. 23.08.94 ♂ Ant Bwe Lay. (to Pt. Scorff)
05. 09.11.97 ♂ Aung Naing. (to Kharkiv)
06. 23.12.97 ♂ Tsje Pyan (to Sevilla)
07. 08.02.98 ♂ Maung Htoo (to Sevilla)
08. 08.03.98 ♀ Ma Palai
09. 02.05.99 ♀ Ma Ya Yee
10. 16.07.01 ♂ Aung Bo (to Sevilla)
11. 03.03.02 ♂ Aung Si (to Sevilla)
12. 27.05.02 ♂ Kan Kaung
13. 05.09.02 ♂ Than Myan
14. 06.06.05 ♂ Letsongmon
All elephants were born in Emmen Zoo
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Wasn't their a stillbirth by Khaing Lwin Htoo in 1998? It says that on elefanten.de, elephant.se and i remember also on Untbwe's Olifantenhuis.
 
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dragon(ele)nerd said:
He has got not a long time though until he reaches so called Menopause but then again Chieng Mai was active since he was 47. So far apprently he has not tried the cows very often.
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I would say Radza has a few more good breeding years in him yet and he has a number of calfs to his credit, so what are you really trying to say :confused:
 
MARK said:
I would say Radza has a few more good breeding years in him yet and he has a number of calfs to his credit, so what are you really trying to say :confused:
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Mark what i'm trying to say is that Radza, does have a few years left, but there aren't going to be a very large number of calves under his belt as Naing Thein. ( depending)
 
I would guess a number of things are involed here like the number of breeding females which live in each zoos herd, the larger the number of females the more likey the bigger number of calfs
 
MARK said:
I would guess a number of things are involed here like the number of breeding females which live in each zoos herd, the larger the number of females the more likey the bigger number of calfs
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Emmen is a good example,
 
I know i'm not Untbwe, (hope you don't think i'm cocky) but i'm pretty sure breeding with him is just kept within Emmen.
 
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Yes I know Dragon, Untbwe has a good idea of what happens there so he may know, cheers anyway
 
The status of a bull elephant must not be judged by his previous track record, but by the number of surviving and reproducing calves he sires.
Another theme is the general current health of the bull (Calvin f.i. is in dire straits ...). A third theme is age - reproductive age in the wild is after 20-25 years of age (in zoos quite a number of underage bulls sire offspring when successful, but those in a breeding position that do not are simply too inexperienced).

In EEP Asian Elephant needs are:
A) Sufficient spaces/holders for young bulls or bulls only.
B) Sufficient spaces/holders for 30+-over aged flatline cows.
C) Sufficient spaces/holders for breeding groups with 2-4 enclosures (1-2 bull facilities, 1 breeding area and 1 maternal matriarchal cow enclosure.

Zoos currently have a trend towards planning for breeding facilities and somewhat neglecting the real and early need for bulls only and elderly/flatliner cows facilities!

Zoos - in particular in central Europe and BRD - do not transfer bulls and cows along matriarchal lineages regularly and thus not providing for breeding opportunities for currently non-breeding individuals. F.i. Zoo Berlin (just 1 breeding age cow), Zoo Leipzig (3 breeding cows, only 1 breeder), Zoo Muenchen (1 breeding age cow+1 possible, twice now a stillbirth of a multiparous cow, perhaps lack of a matriarch in the herd as the elder cows are continually separated).

Zoos need to sent out lone Asian elephants to locations with companions, be they breeding age individuals or non-breeding individuals. F.i. Dresden Zoo (1 cow with Africans), La Barben (1 cow), Magdeburg (1 cow with African companion - zoo to change to Africans after 2010), Napoli (1 cow alone), Gdansk (1 cow alone), Plock (1 bull alone - on transfer recommendation?), Kaliningrad (1 cow alone), Serb and Slovene zoos (3 cows alone each), Cordoba and Elche, Spain (1 cow alone each), Belfast (1 cow alone - pensioneer as Al will testify), Paignton (1 cow with African companion - what is long term view with elephants?) + the undermentioned bulls in Ukraine/Russia.

Zoos - in particular in eastern Europe - are not cooperating with the Asian Elephant EEP. F.i. Kiev and Perm Zoos both have a proven bull. The current EEP requires additional unrelated breeding bulls (sometimes to replace currently non-functioning breeding groups - e.g. Muenster).

How is the Species Coordinator influencing these challenges? :confused:
 
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