I didn't know that they stopped breeding the gibbons and orangutans. Does the facility have much room to expand, or have they reached the maximum expansion capacity?
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I didn't know that they stopped breeding the gibbons and orangutans. Does the facility have much room to expand, or have they reached the maximum expansion capacity?
You can buy the DVD's online (up until the last two seasons when they stopped producing them due to low demand). But you will obviously need a multiregional dvd player. Otherwise check if they available on any Streaming services where you live ?
They have the creche for orphaned orangutans and while they aren't breeding on site, some of those orphaned orang utans have moved on to other zoos and bred such as Hsiao Ning and Dinda at Rostock and Kai and Joly at Rio Safari Elche.
The zoo also does in situ conservation work with golden cheeked gibbons in their sister sanctuary Dao Tien.
Tbf Gibbon's are understandable as they have a lot and they require paired enclosures. The orangutans they operate as a cresh so frequently take in individuals from various zoos. They breed the woollys.
What more would you have them regularly breed? Stump-tails are old and only 3 left, they've bred the guenons but there's only two. The chimps and Capuchin are various subspecies and there's already a lot, not really candidates for Conservation programmes. Don't need to breed the marmosets. What *should* they be breeding?
A little pointed of tone towards Shonen, when they were simply answering my question. I am assuming you meant to direct the question towards me, as I was the one who asked the question.
I was watching older episodes from the show, so I was curious about what they bred. I was just curious to see if they were breeding anything, or if they solely focused on rescuing. Nothing more than that. I have no control over what they do, I was just simply asking a question
A little pointed of tone towards Shonen, when they were simply answering my question. I am assuming you meant to direct the question towards me, as I was the one who asked the question.
I was watching older episodes from the show, so I was curious about what they bred. I was just curious to see if they were breeding anything, or if they solely focused on rescuing. Nothing more than that. I have no control over what they do, I was just simply asking a question
Apologies if that's the tone coming across, was merely meant to be a discussion as MW has always been of interest and I've always been impressed by their breeding record personally. Has always been a Balance of social requirements and space.
Tiny nitpicking correction, Zoo Schmiding in Austria has imported a new pair from Brazil a few years ago and these have bred twice already too.
If you’re referring to the site as a whole, I’m not sure they can. Aren’t they close to MoD land? I remember one of the original chimps Charlie (he of the close association with Jim Cronin) having issues with tanks regularly rolling past the site.
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As someone who's regularly down there working at the other institution on the famous "Monkey World --> Tank Museum -->" sign, the military land's the other side of the road. I don't know if MW own the woodland north of where the parking and entrance is but that's really the only place I can see them being able to expand. They're constrained by the hillside to the east, the gliders to the north and the occasional passing Challenger to the west.
No worries!
According to one of the older episodes of Monkey Life, they used to (or potentially may still) allow there to be one offspring born in their mixed-sex chimpanzee groups every five years to help maintain stability within their troops.
I found that very interesting.
As regards the chimps, rather a lot of them are known-subspecies and therefore *would* be of massive genetic value to the respective programmes.
Wouldn't that require being separated and forming new groups? Sounds like a bit of a nightmare given the space they have, most are ex-pets or lab chimps with behavioural issues, they've been in established troops for years and several are hybrids.
Not to mention the groups are quite clearly established for various needs such as Bryan's much smaller group and the bachelor males. Rearranging groups for Conservation purposes would require significant justification imo. They're a rescue first and foremost and compromising welfare would definitely need to be for a good reason.
I think it is highly unrealistic to expect the chimpanzees to enter any sort of breeding programme. They do let them reproduce for welfare purposes though.
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Just trying to think:
Breeding on Pause:
- Bornean Orangutan (many will go on to other zoos to breed once mature).
- Golden-Cheeked Gibbon (capacity issue?)
- Chimpanzee (various ssp., are allowed to breed occassionally)
- Red-Bellied Guenon (only a pair)
Non-Breeding:
- Stump-Tailed Macaque (Age)
- White-Faced Saki (Single Individual?)
- Squirrel Monkey (pet rescues)
- Capuchins (Various Sp.)
- Common Marmoset (Too Many)
- Geoffroy's Marmoset (space issue)
- Cotton-Top Tamarin (space issue)
- Spider Monkeys (3 elderly hybrids)
- Patas Monkeys (elderly pair)
- Ring-Tailed Lemur (mostly pet trade and from other zoos)
- Siamang (elderly pair?)
- Mueller's Gibbon
- Lar Gibbon (Single Individual)
- Agile Gibbon (Single individual)
- Sumatran Orangutan (Creche, will go on to breed at other zoos)
Breeding:
- Woolly Monkey (various ssp.)
- Slow Loris
Presumably the inbound baboons will be non-breeding too.
Breeding on Pause:
- Bornean Orangutan (many will go on to other zoos to breed once mature).
- Golden-Cheeked Gibbon (capacity issue?)
- Chimpanzee (various ssp., are allowed to breed occassionally)
- Red-Bellied Guenon (only a pair)
Non-Breeding:
- Stump-Tailed Macaque (Age)
- White-Faced Saki (Single Individual?)
- Squirrel Monkey (pet rescues)
- Capuchins (Various Sp.)
- Common Marmoset (Too Many)
- Geoffroy's Marmoset (space issue)
- Cotton-Top Tamarin (space issue)
- Spider Monkeys (3 elderly hybrids)
- Patas Monkeys (elderly pair)
- Ring-Tailed Lemur (mostly pet trade and from other zoos)
- Siamang (elderly pair?)
- Mueller's Gibbon
- Lar Gibbon (Single Individual)
- Agile Gibbon (Single individual)
- Sumatran Orangutan (Creche, will go on to breed at other zoos)
Breeding:
- Woolly Monkey (various ssp.)
- Slow Loris
Presumably the inbound baboons will be non-breeding too.
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I wonder if this will be the beginning of Monkey World acquiring many Hamadryas baboons? It would be interesting to see.
I'd doubt it, there's not really precedent for it with other species. Most of the larger groups they've had have been the result of a single large rescue.
I'm not sure hamadryas baboons are particularly common in the pet trade either.
Unfortunately, when I lived in the Gulf States (for over a decade), I would see just as many Hamadryas baboons chained up on rooftops of villas as I saw other species such as Chacma.
Things have, apparently, changed a little better, but there will be many still sold in Saudi, Kuwait and beyond!
On January 30th, 2024, the sanctuary announced they acquired a (0.1) common marmoset named Kush from a private owner in Bristol.
Alison has arrived at Monkey World with the 131st UK pet trade rescue | Alison has been on a rescue today, collecting Kush, an 8 year old common marmoset who had been kept as a pet. Her owner, Dean, had actually done his best... | By Monkey World - Ape Rescue Centre, Official Facebook Page | Facebook
Pet Primates and British Public Let Down by Loose Laws - Monkey World
Alison has arrived at Monkey World with the 131st UK pet trade rescue | Alison has been on a rescue today, collecting Kush, an 8 year old common marmoset who had been kept as a pet. Her owner, Dean, had actually done his best... | By Monkey World - Ape Rescue Centre, Official Facebook Page | Facebook
Pet Primates and British Public Let Down by Loose Laws - Monkey World
Amazing but why does people keep primates as pets which they shouldn't