North American Asian Elephant Population 2024

Shanti at Houston is pregnant and due at the end of 2024!! This will be her 7th calf with the zoo's breeding bull Thailand.

From Our Herd to Yours: Happy Mother’s Day, The Houston Zoo

We now have 6 confirmed pregnancies in the population!! 3 due at the end of 2024 (Jade, Rozie, and Shanti) and 3 due in the spring to summer of 2025 (Rose-tu, Asha, and Achara).
The stretch from the end of 2024 until the end of 2025 is going to be one INSANE year for elephant pregnancies with an incredible FIFTEEN confirmed pregnancies and counting in African and Asian Elephants combined which is amazing!
 
When did this tide change?

It seemed like yesterday that we were lucky if we got 2 calves that didn't keel over and die asap.

I ask because I wanna know which animal welfare measures zoo implemented to encourage better reproduction.
We unfortunately saw a span of EEHV related deaths in a very short amount of time which did likely amount to the apparant stall in breeding. Truthfully (as far as the Asian population goes) the number of births per year has remained fairly constant as of recently with an average of 3-4 births per year (with the amount of surviving calves close to that number) so imo there hasn't been any "improvements" to cause this sudden spike in pregnancy announcements. We just had a "dry" year with 2023 only having one announced birth of the three lol.
 
We unfortunately saw a span of EEHV related deaths in a very short amount of time which did likely amount to the apparant stall in breeding. Truthfully (as far as the Asian population goes) the number of births per year has remained fairly constant as of recently with an average of 3-4 births per year (with the amount of surviving calves close to that number) so imo there hasn't been any "improvements" to cause this sudden spike in pregnancy announcements. We just had a "dry" year with 2023 only having one announced birth of the three lol.
I think you are right not to make too much of the current number of announcements.

Truthfully, I do think that the African elephant population is slowly moving out of the darker woods ...! Even so, the African Elephant SSP needs to be careful to keep up the momentum and slowly look at expansion of the number of zoos focussing solely on African elephant. There are still a good number of US/Canada zoos required to expand the African elephant population and set up new matriarchal lineage breeding groups and new bachelor herds and those solely devoted to elderly and non-reproductive individuals.

For Asiatic elephant I am much less enthousiastic to say the least. I feel there is a very long battle uphill ahead to expand the number of breeding groups in US zoos in order to attain some status quo situation and some hope for long term sustainability. It will be interesting to know what AZA Elephant TAG long term vision and focus is for separating into Asiatics and Africans separately.

In my POV there also needs to be more focus:
A) on natural reproduction over AI and invasive reproductive technology (the latter only in case of more longer term "issues" why do our elephants not get pregnant or are mated but nothing ensues...);
B) on vet and animal husbandry and care within the AZA community in terms of health concerns like EEHV, preventative medicine over curative vet intervention, development of vaccination and antibiotica for common elephant health concerns and development of treatment/surgery procedures for colic/arthritis/bone disease/ broken bones - very challenging the latter - et cetera) as well as more focus on research and publishing net results for treatment of health issues in elephants;
C) on creating and developing more natural social structured herds, perhaps with larger facilities even having multiple roles on their site - matriarchal breeding group, breeding bull, bachelor herd and perhaps even an elderly group. I am not advocating for all facilities to do so, just a bare minimum for pilot and the majority focussing on either matriarchal breeding group and a bull facility on site or bachelor group facility or elderly/non-reproductive facility.

For part ... even though I do have my serious reservations given the stance taken by most of these institutions - I think it is an AZA own goal issue - some sanctuaries play that role for now. However, an increasing number of institutions presently as yet still maintain non-reproductive elephants in both mid range and elderly age classes. Quite a number of the latter are presently in the age classes over 40-70 age range (quite a few facilities .... I just cite Cleveland, Colorado, Milwaukee and Rochester) and can only over time become either a new breeding group location or bachelor herd facility.

Another observation I would like to make in terms of the African elephant SSP is that all current facilities with reproductively evaluated as cycling cows should have a breeding bull on site and a facility able to provide separate accomodation and an introduction exclosure available to breed their cycling cow elephants (examples that come to mind here are Louisville and Toledo).
 
I think you are right not to make too much of the current number of announcements.

Truthfully, I do think that the African elephant population is slowly moving out of the darker woods ...! Even so, the African Elephant SSP needs to be careful to keep up the momentum and slowly look at expansion of the number of zoos focussing solely on African elephant. There are still a good number of US/Canada zoos required to expand the African elephant population and set up new matriarchal lineage breeding groups and new bachelor herds and those solely devoted to elderly and non-reproductive individuals.

For Asiatic elephant I am much less enthousiastic to say the least. I feel there is a very long battle uphill ahead to expand the number of breeding groups in US zoos in order to attain some status quo situation and some hope for long term sustainability. It will be interesting to know what AZA Elephant TAG long term vision and focus is for separating into Asiatics and Africans separately.

In my POV there also needs to be more focus:
A) on natural reproduction over AI and invasive reproductive technology (the latter only in case of more longer term "issues" why do our elephants not get pregnant or are mated but nothing ensues...);
B) on vet and animal husbandry and care within the AZA community in terms of health concerns like EEHV, preventative medicine over curative vet intervention, development of vaccination and antibiotica for common elephant health concerns and development of treatment/surgery procedures for colic/arthritis/bone disease/ broken bones - very challenging the latter - et cetera) as well as more focus on research and publishing net results for treatment of health issues in elephants;
C) on creating and developing more natural social structured herds, perhaps with larger facilities even having multiple roles on their site - matriarchal breeding group, breeding bull, bachelor herd and perhaps even an elderly group. I am not advocating for all facilities to do so, just a bare minimum for pilot and the majority focussing on either matriarchal breeding group and a bull facility on site or bachelor group facility or elderly/non-reproductive facility.

For part ... even though I do have my serious reservations given the stance taken by most of these institutions - I think it is an AZA own goal issue - some sanctuaries play that role for now. However, an increasing number of institutions presently as yet still maintain non-reproductive elephants in both mid range and elderly age classes. Quite a number of the latter are presently in the age classes over 40-70 age range (quite a few facilities .... I just cite Cleveland, Colorado, Milwaukee and Rochester) and can only over time become either a new breeding group location or bachelor herd facility.

Another observation I would like to make in terms of the African elephant SSP is that all current facilities with reproductively evaluated as cycling cows should have a breeding bull on site and a facility able to provide separate accomodation and an introduction exclosure available to breed their cycling cow elephants (examples that come to mind here are Louisville and Toledo).

Louisville is phasing out elephants and no longer will be having them in the near future.
 
Louisville is phasing out elephants and no longer will be having them in the near future.
Thanks John .., I know what their plans have been for awhile.

I honestly do absolutely disagree with their policy line to sent a reproductively active and cycling cow to an institution that is vehemently opposed to the goals and objectives of the AZA African Elephant SSP and to sent a reproducing cow elephant to a Sanctuary is beyond comprehension. This particular cow elephant, Mikki, deserves better and be at a facility where she will have access to a proven bull elephant. There are sufficient facilities around where she could yet make a positive impact.

Please note that at her present location she is kept with a lone Asiatic elephant cow Punch. With the dangers of EEHV and very real it is important to break that set up and sent their fcow Mikki to an US zoo with breeding group of Africans only.
 
Thanks John .., I know what their plans have been for awhile.

I honestly do absolutely disagree with their policy line to sent a reproductively active and cycling cow to an institution that is vehemently opposed to the goals and objectives of the AZA African Elephant SSP and to sent a reproducing cow elephant to a Sanctuary is beyond comprehension. This particular cow elephant, Mikki, deserves better and be at a facility where she will have access to a proven bull elephant. There are sufficient facilities around where she could yet make a positive impact.

Please note that at her present location she is kept with a lone Asiatic elephant cow Punch. With the dangers of EEHV and very real it is important to break that set up and sent their fcow Mikki to an US zoo with breeding group of Africans only.
This is the Asian elephant population thread, any further discussion on this should really be moved to a different thread
 
I have attempted to summarize the public information given about the Ringling and White Oak herds in order to narrow down the location of these elephants. If anyone has anything that changes this list please feel free to correct me!

There are several cows and one bull that are of advanced age and likely have not and will not ever make the move to the Yulee campus.
With all other unlisted individuals having sourced deaths minus one, the following individuals are likely the last at Ringling:

1.0 Vance (WILD × WILD) 1963.00.00
0.1 Baby (WILD × WILD) 1961.00.00
0.1 Cora (Thonglaw × Rosy) 1965.12.03
0.1 Sally (WILD × WILD) 1967.00.00
0.1 Asia (WILD × WILD) 1968.00.00
0.1 Emma (WILD × WILD) 1972.00.00
0.1 Alana (WILD × WILD) 1975.00.00
0.1 Banko (WILD × WILD) 1976.00.00
0.1 Icky II (WILD × WILD) 1976.00.00
0.1 Siam (WILD × WILD) 1976.00.00

0.1 Shirley is almost certianly at White Oak given her age and two daughters and granddaughter already at the Yulee campus. 0.1 Icky II may also be at White Oak due to her having three daughters there, but due to her age she may not have made the move. For this reason she is highlighted in red.

Most or all of Ringling's bachelor males are also very likely at the Yulee campus. Houston Zoo's 1.0 Tucker is reccomended to transfer to Yulee but not on a breeding reccomendation, implying that he will be joining a bachelor herd. Since I cannot confirm if all the males are at Yulee, I would appreciate any further clarification from anyone who is able so that there is no confusion.

With these factors in mind, the population at White Oak is most likely as follows:

1.0 Casey (WILD × WILD) 1971.00.00
1.0 Osgood (Charlie × Emma) 1999.08.16
1.0 Gunther (Charlie × Mala) 2001.11.18
1.0 P.T. (Charlie × Josky) 2002.05.21
1.0 Irvin (Charlie × Alana) 2005.06.01
1.0 Barack (Doc × Bonnie) 2009.01.19

1.0 Sammy (Casey x Unk) 2023.00.00
0.1 Tonka (Hugo or Vance × Minyak) 1983.08.23
0.1 Luna (Hugo or Vance × Josky) 1984.01.01
0.1 Juliette (Pete × Icky II) 1992.12.30
0.1 Bonnie (Vance × Sid) 1994.10.29
0.1 Shirley (Vance x Mala) 1995.02.19
0.1 Kelly Ann (Vance × Sally) 1996.01.01
0.1 Angelica (Charlie × Icky II) 1997.06.23
0.1 Sara (Charlie × Icky II) 2001.04.16
0.1 Asha (Charlie × Alana) 2002.03.05
0.1 Aree (Charlie × Mala) 2005.04.21
0.1 Mable (Romeo × Shirley) 2006.04.06
0.1 April (Charlie × Alana) 2010.04.03
0.1 Piper (Romeo × Shirley) 2012.08.13
0.1 Masala (Casey x Mable) 2021.08.25
0.1 Tikka (Casey x Aree) 2022.06.14
0.1 Kumari (Casey x Unk) 2023.00.00

Once more, if anyone knows this to be inaccurate in any way please say so. The purpose of listing this out is to best inform of the location of Ringling's herd.
 
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Is Chuck a good genetic match to all of Houston's cows?
He's completly unrelated to them all, which truthfully is the main factor. There are more valuable bulls around, sure (Chuck has several siblings floating around the population), but he's a socially affable, recently matured bull with no offspring of his own.

Arguably it is still best to pair Tess and Shanti with Thai, but he's sired a fair number of offspring with them both (ignoring his age) so Houston may very well be fine with allowing Chuck to breed with them should that come to pass.
 
It sounds like Chuck will be given the oppertunity to breed with all the females at Houston, not just Joy.
The elephant supervisor mentions him being introduced to all the females for breeding purposes in the article below:
Houston Zoo welcomes new elephant from Denver Zoo | khou.com

He’s being introduced to them, however, he has no recommendation for breeding with them, as of now at least. Tess and Shanti are still recommended to breed with Thai and the SSP intends to let that happen as long as Thai can still get it done.

Is Chuck a good genetic match to all of Houston's cows?
I apologize now because this is going to be a long answer.

It depends on what you consider a good match. His father is Rex at OKC who has a plethora of children with one more on the way and three daughters who are reproducing. Opal at ALS has 2 calves, Emily at ALS has 1 calf, and Achara at OKC is pregnant with her first. His mother is Mali at Rosamond Gifford who has the infamous twins currently and is still slated to breed with Doc and their new male once he arrives in the future. Because of this family tree, some would say he's not a good match given who his father is however, I disagree. Chuck's grandfather is Indy at Dickerson who is unfortunately greatly underrepresented with only one other surviving daughter in the US (Kirina at Rosamond Gifford who is not reproducing) and a granddaughter (Jade at St Louis who is expecting her first calf). With just his mom and half-sister around to reproduce and his brother years from sexual maturity, he would be a great asset to have to enter the regional breeding program. Shanti is also the only offspring of her wild-born mother Bozie and Tess is a wild-caught female/founder. Both are also potentially years away from retirement from breeding and could produce some pretty valuable calves if paired with Chuck. Then, when you pair him up with the remaining cows (Joy, Tupelo, Tilly, and Winnie) it will only further diversify things adding to a killer(in a good way) program. I could go on and on about this topic, but I'll digress.
 
He’s being introduced to them, however, he has no recommendation for breeding with them, as of now at least. Tess and Shanti are still recommended to breed with Thai and the SSP intends to let that happen as long as Thai can still get it done.


I apologize now because this is going to be a long answer.

It depends on what you consider a good match. His father is Rex at OKC who has a plethora of children with one more on the way and three daughters who are reproducing. Opal at ALS has 2 calves, Emily at ALS has 1 calf, and Achara at OKC is pregnant with her first. His mother is Mali at Rosamond Gifford who has the infamous twins currently and is still slated to breed with Doc and their new male once he arrives in the future. Because of this family tree, some would say he's not a good match given who his father is however, I disagree. Chuck's grandfather is Indy at Dickerson who is unfortunately greatly underrepresented with only one other surviving daughter in the US (Kirina at Rosamond Gifford who is not reproducing) and a granddaughter (Jade at St Louis who is expecting her first calf). With just his mom and half-sister around to reproduce and his brother years from sexual maturity, he would be a great asset to have to enter the regional breeding program. Shanti is also the only offspring of her wild-born mother Bozie and Tess is a wild-caught female/founder. Both are also potentially years away from retirement from breeding and could produce some pretty valuable calves if paired with Chuck. Then, when you pair him up with the remaining cows (Joy, Tupelo, Tilly, and Winnie) it will only further diversify things adding to a killer(in a good way) program. I could go on and on about this topic, but I'll digress.
Very well said, I 100% agree. I also definitely think that the NA asian population is not in nearly bad enough shape for there to be any "unvaluable" bulls. Aside from a few entirely underrepresented bulls, there's an argument to be made for practically any bull to be "overrepresented" in some way.
I think a lot of us have gotten into the mindset of any animal with multiple siblings being automatically an unvaluable breeding candidate, and if Rex was one of the sole sires of calves born over the last few years then maybe we could say that, but as it stands we're not in that situation at all.
 
He’s being introduced to them, however, he has no recommendation for breeding with them, as of now at least. Tess and Shanti are still recommended to breed with Thai and the SSP intends to let that happen as long as Thai can still get it done.


I apologize now because this is going to be a long answer.

It depends on what you consider a good match. His father is Rex at OKC who has a plethora of children with one more on the way and three daughters who are reproducing. Opal at ALS has 2 calves, Emily at ALS has 1 calf, and Achara at OKC is pregnant with her first. His mother is Mali at Rosamond Gifford who has the infamous twins currently and is still slated to breed with Doc and their new male once he arrives in the future. Because of this family tree, some would say he's not a good match given who his father is however, I disagree. Chuck's grandfather is Indy at Dickerson who is unfortunately greatly underrepresented with only one other surviving daughter in the US (Kirina at Rosamond Gifford who is not reproducing) and a granddaughter (Jade at St Louis who is expecting her first calf). With just his mom and half-sister around to reproduce and his brother years from sexual maturity, he would be a great asset to have to enter the regional breeding program. Shanti is also the only offspring of her wild-born mother Bozie and Tess is a wild-caught female/founder. Both are also potentially years away from retirement from breeding and could produce some pretty valuable calves if paired with Chuck. Then, when you pair him up with the remaining cows (Joy, Tupelo, Tilly, and Winnie) it will only further diversify things adding to a killer(in a good way) program. I could go on and on about this topic, but I'll digress.

Attached are family trees for Chuck, Indy, and Houston's herd except for Tucker and Methai. Please note that it lists Jade at St. Louis as 22 when she is 17. Hopefully, this will provide insight into whether or not Chuck is a genetic match for his herd.

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He’s being introduced to them, however, he has no recommendation for breeding with them, as of now at least. Tess and Shanti are still recommended to breed with Thai and the SSP intends to let that happen as long as Thai can still get it done.
The plan is for Chuck to only breed with Joy in the meantime. Thai (being a wildborn bull) is still a fairly genetically valuable bull, so will obviously have priority when it comes to breeding with Tess and Shanti.

But once Thai passes on, there may be the plan may be for Chuck to become their breeding bull.
 
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