Phase out species in United States

The cetaceans are listed but there were no changes to their managament so I didnt write anything down. I just included changes and special noted things. Hope that clears up the confusion.

The last groups are old world monkeys, new world primates and PCAT (i cant remember what species are in it).
 
Thanks for the information TZFan.

There are so many species that are being phased out that are a shame to see go. Especially the hoofstock. I'm surprised so many deer species are being phased out especially species like elk. It's also a shame to see so many Middle Eastern antelope species being phased out. I guess I'm in the minority (as are many other Zoochatters) and I would love to see more hoofstock. My dream zoo is one filled with hoofstock, especially in a safari setting.

It's kind of weird to even see mallards and Canada geese on this. You can see those in the wild in zoo exhibit ponds.


Thanks again for looking that information up. It is very interesting. Is there a camelid TAG? Also, are there any plans to phase in wild water buffalo and yak? What about wild Bactrian camels?
 
elefante said:
Thanks for the information TZFan.

There are so many species that are being phased out that are a shame to see go. Especially the hoofstock. I'm surprised so many deer species are being phased out especially species like elk. It's also a shame to see so many Middle Eastern antelope species being phased out. I guess I'm in the minority (as are many other Zoochatters) and I would love to see more hoofstock. My dream zoo is one filled with hoofstock, especially in a safari setting.

It's kind of weird to even see mallards and Canada geese on this. You can see those in the wild in zoo exhibit ponds.

Anyway, I did want to mention a few other things, and please don't take this as nitpicking, but there are a few errors. According to what I read on the AZA site generic aoudad are being replaced with Kordofan aoudad and the eastern elk is an extinct subspecies of elk.

Thanks again for looking that information up. It is very interesting. Is there a camelid TAG? Also, are there any plans to phase in wild water buffalo and yak? What about wild Bactrian camels?
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I completely agree! It's a shame so many endangered species are being phased-out, too!

If the TAG just listed Cervus canadensis canadensis then it could be referring to the proposed idea that all American Elk ssp are just one ssp: C. c. canadensis. Though that makes it odd for Roosevelt and Rocky Mountain Elk to be listed on there....

I doubt wild Water Buffalo and Yak will be phased-in, especially the latter, but I'd like to see that. Wild Bactrian Camels won't happen any time soon. There's too little of a wild population and they've just begun a captive breeding program in the species' native range so it would be a while before any moved in. My guess is that all non-Domestic camelids are phase-out species, which is odd.

~Thylo:cool:
 
ThylacineAlive said:
I completely agree! It's a shame so many endangered species are being phased-out, too!

If the TAG just listed Cervus canadensis canadensis then it could be referring to the proposed idea that all American Elk ssp are just one ssp: C. c. canadensis. Though that makes it odd for Roosevelt and Rocky Mountain Elk to be listed on there....

I doubt wild Water Buffalo and Yak will be phased-in, especially the latter, but I'd like to see that. Wild Bactrian Camels won't happen any time soon. There's too little of a wild population and they've just begun a captive breeding program in the species' native range so it would be a while before any moved in. My guess is that all non-Domestic camelids are phase-out species, which is odd.

~Thylo:cool:
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That would be strange not to see any llamas or camels at all in zoos. They wouldn't fall into the same category as domestic animals like you see in children's zoos? I'm assuming that here aren't TAGs for animals like cattle or horses in children's zoos?
 
In answer to the questions about other TAG groups. I know the must exist. The problem I've found with the AZA's website is that only a fraction of the resources they must produce have been uploaded. I've now worked through the TAGs which is cool. And for Toronto Zoo specifically as its my hometown zoo, I've extensively plowed through the SSPs and Studbooks looking for Toronto info (I was after info on each individual animal that had been at the zoo if they had a name like Charles but I also looked at our nameless friends we used to house to see what the zoo once was like). But my point is lots of things are missing. Theres a lion studbook but it only lists white lions, no africans. And theres no SSP for them. I couldnt find out anything about ostriches. I know the documents exist just not on the web yet. So unless you want more info on the TAGs I've provided I cant be of anymore help for phasing in or out, unfortunately. Maybe more will pop up later after the big AZA meeting in september.

Heres a list of all the TAG groups that exist according to the AZA's website.

Amphibian
Anseriformes
Antelope and Giraffe
Ape
Aquatic Invertebrate
Bat
Bear
Bison, Buffalo and Cattle
Canid and Hyaenid
Caprid
Charadriiformes
Chelonian
Ciconiiformes/Phoenicopteriformes
Columbiformes
Coraciiformes
Crocodilian
Deer (Cervid/Tragulid)
Elephant
Equid
Felid
Freshwater Fishes
Galliformes
Gruiformes
Lizard
Marine Fishes
Marine Mammal
Marsupial and Monotreme
New World Primate
Old World Monkey
PACCT (Passerines)
Pangolin, Aardvark and Xenarthra
Parrot
Pelecaniformes
Penguin
Piciformes
Prosimian
Raptor
Ratite/Tinamiformes
Rhinoceros
Rodent, Insectivore and Lagomorph
Small Carnivore
Snake
Tapir
Terrestrial Invertebrate
Turaco/Cuckoo
Wild Pig, Peccary and Hippo

WHoops Im a dope. I can get the others... I didnt notice there was two pages of TAGs good thing i caught that.
 
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New World Primate TAG 2009
Out
Common Marmoset
Wied’s Marmoset
Silvery Marmoset
Saddleback or Brown Mantled Tamarin
Bearded Emperor Tamarin
Geoffroy’s Tamarin
Red Handed Tamarin
White Lipped or Read Bellied Tamarin
Black Lion Tamarin
White Fronted Capuchin
Weeper Capuchin
Black Capped Squirrel Monkey
Central American Squirrel Monkey (they tried phasing it in, in 2005 but changed to phase out in 2009)
Azara’s night Monkey
Owl Monkey
Lemurine Owl Monkey
Peruvian Night Monkey
Red Titi
Guatemalan Black Howler
Mantled Howler
Woolly Monkey
In
None

Old World Monkey TAG 2008
Out
Grey-Cheeked mangabey
Sooty Mangabey
Talapoin Monkey
Syke’s Monkey
Greater Spot Nosed Guenon
Crowned Guenon
Sulawesi Crested Macaque
Rhesus Macaque
Barbary Macaque
Olive Baboon
Hanuman Langur
Douc Langur

In
Vervet Monkey ( they had been on the way out but thats changed)
Wolf’s Guenon (was not recommended before but now SSP)

Note
The Ebony Langur is under review but population is under 20 so don’t expect much.
All of the phase outs except the Sulawesi Macaques have populations under 10 so they couldn’t be sustainable.

Passeriformes, Apodiformes, Coliiformes,
Caprimulgiformes and Trogoniformes or PACCT TAG 2009
Something is wrong with this TAG’s books. I can get the starlings and mynahs but none of the 5000 other species to come up. I just looked at 200 pages of nothing... literally white pages. I think they goofed. But heres what I did get.
Out
Glossy Starling
Sulawesi Mynah
Hill Mynah
Blue Eared glossy starling
Ruppel’s long tailed starling
Yellow Faced Mynah
Chestnut bellied Starling
Sulawesi Magpie
Jerdon’s Starling
Pied Starling
Black Collared Starling
African Golden Oriole
Black and Crimson Oriole

In
None
 
This is a sad thread. My design a zoo is becoming more difficult since I'm trying to make it more realistic and there are lots of phase-out species that I was thinking of having in it.
 
Gee I didnt aim to make it all doom and gloom for you. Now I feel pretty bad about what Im about to add... Im still doing it but i feel bad. Oh and in answer to the wild yak and Asian buffalos the answer in the TAG was no. There are no plans for a switch. Domestics are to phase out and wilds are specifically not recommended. Another shot to your heart I know.

Pangolin, Aardvark and Xenarthra TAG 2009

Out
Pale Throated Sloth
Hairy Armadillo
Mexican Tamandua

In
None

Parrot TAG 2010
No changes are planned.

Pelecaniformes TAG 2012
No Changes are planned

Notes
Big population jumps are encouraged in Eastern White Pelicans, Pink Baked Pelicans and Dalmatian Pelicans.
American White Pelicans, Brown Pelicans and Double crested Cormorants are only to be rehab animals or non releasable.

Penguin TAG 2010
No Changes are planned

Piciformes TAG 2009 (toucan and woodpeckers)

Out
Puerto Rican Woodpecker
Black Headed Woodpecker
Fire Tufted Barbet
Black Browed Barbet
Double Toothed Barbet
Spot Crowned Barbet
Black Spotted Barbet
Read Headed Barbet
Prong Billed Barbet
Crimson Rumped Toucanet
Groove Billed Toucanet
Guianan Toucanet
Spot Billed Toucanet
West Ivory Bill Toucanet
Saffron Toucanet
Blue Banded Toucanet
Chestnut Tipped Toucanet
Black Necked Aracari
Chestnut Eared Aracari
Many Banded Aracari
Collared Aracari
Fiery Billed Aracari
Red Breasted Toucan
Read Bellied Toucan
Channel Billed Toucan
Swainson’s Toucan
Plate billed Mountain Toucan

In
Read Headed Woodpecker
Toucan Barbet

Prosimian TAG 2008 (Lemurs ect)

Out
Slender Loris
Wester Fat Tailed Dwarf Lemur
Northern Giant Mouse Lemur
Greater bush Baby
White Fronted Lemur
White Collared Lemur
Brown Lemur
Read Fronted Lemur
Black Lemur
Sanford’s Lemur
Red-Bellied Lemur
Tattersall’s Sifaka
Diademed Sifaka
Grey Bamboo Lemur

For all other Lemurs an increase is expected

Raptor TAG 2009

Out
Black Kite
White Tailed Sea Eagle
Bearded Vulture
Indian White Backed Vulture
Eurasian Griffon
White headed Vulture
Red Headed Vulture
Eurasian Sparrowhawk
Grey Hawk
White Tailed hawk
Red backed Hawk
Jackal Buzzard
Verreaux’s Eagle
Martial Eagle
Laggar Falcon
Oriental Bay Owl
Mottled Owl

In
Hooded Vulture
Stellar’s Sea Eagle


Ratite and Tinamiformes TAG 2009 (ostrich ect)

Out
Lesser Rhea
Chilean Tinamou
Great Tinamou
Generic Ostrich

In
North African Ostrich (will ultimately replace the generic ostrich)
Little Tinamou

The info available on the switch to the North African Ostrich is very interesting. Currently three subspecies (Somali, Masai and South African) have been bred in the AZA and they want about 50 eggs to build a new genetically strong pure population. As they breed they will replace generics. As well some of the eggs will return to African to rebuild the Niger population in the wild. The eggs will come from Chad and Niger.

Rhinoceros TAG 2010

Out
Northern White Rhino

In
None

Note
If they can breed more Sumatran Rhinos they will. Unfortunately for the species that seems rather unlikely.


Rodent, Insectivore and Lagomorph TAG 2007

Out
Crested Agouti
Rock Hyrax (Procavia capensis capensis but not Procavia capensis)
Algerian hedgehog
South African hedgehog
Eastern Cottontail
Pygmy Tree Shrew
Large Tree Shrew
Paca
Prevost Squirrel
Giant Pouched Rat
White Tailed Prairie Dog
Golden Rumped Agouti
St. Vincent;s Agouti
Central Amercian Agouti
Ord’s Kangaroo Rat
Patagonian Cavy (Dolichotis salincola)
American Porcupine (Erethizon dorsatum dorsatum)
Indian Palm Squirrel
Southern Flying Squirrel (Glaucomys volans volans)
Yellow Bellied marmot
Hazel Dormouse
White Throated Woodrat
Bushie tailed woodrat
Muskrat
Grasshopper mouse
Pocket Mouse
Skily pocket mouse
White Fooded Mouse
Darwing Leaf eared Mouse
Pale giant Squirrel
Easter Gray Squirrel
Japapnese Squirrel
Varigated Squirrel
Eurasian Red Squirrel
Hispid Cotton Rat
Cururo
Rhicardson’s Ground Squirrel
Round Tailed Squirrel
13 lined Ground Squirrel
Variegated Rock Squirrel
Mexican Porcupine
Siberian Chipmunk
Eastern Chipmunk
Cape Ground Squirrel

In
Panay Cloudrunner

On the upside only 5 more groups of depression to go. That will be up sometime tomorrow if I get the chance. By sometime Saturday at the latest.
 
TZFan said:
Gee I didnt aim to make it all doom and gloom for you. Now I feel pretty bad about what Im about to add... Im still doing it but i feel bad. Oh and in answer to the wild yak and Asian buffalos the answer in the TAG was no. There are no plans for a switch. Domestics are to phase out and wilds are specifically not recommended. Another shot to your heart I know.

Pangolin, Aardvark and Xenarthra TAG 2009

Out
Pale Throated Sloth
Hairy Armadillo
Mexican Tamandua

In
None

Parrot TAG 2010
No changes are planned.

Pelecaniformes TAG 2012
No Changes are planned

Notes
Big population jumps are encouraged in Eastern White Pelicans, Pink Baked Pelicans and Dalmatian Pelicans.
American White Pelicans, Brown Pelicans and Double crested Cormorants are only to be rehab animals or non releasable.

Penguin TAG 2010
No Changes are planned

Piciformes TAG 2009 (toucan and woodpeckers)

Out
Puerto Rican Woodpecker
Black Headed Woodpecker
Fire Tufted Barbet
Black Browed Barbet
Double Toothed Barbet
Spot Crowned Barbet
Black Spotted Barbet
Read Headed Barbet
Prong Billed Barbet
Crimson Rumped Toucanet
Groove Billed Toucanet
Guianan Toucanet
Spot Billed Toucanet
West Ivory Bill Toucanet
Saffron Toucanet
Blue Banded Toucanet
Chestnut Tipped Toucanet
Black Necked Aracari
Chestnut Eared Aracari
Many Banded Aracari
Collared Aracari
Fiery Billed Aracari
Red Breasted Toucan
Read Bellied Toucan
Channel Billed Toucan
Swainson’s Toucan
Plate billed Mountain Toucan

In
Read Headed Woodpecker
Toucan Barbet

Prosimian TAG 2008 (Lemurs ect)

Out
Slender Loris
Wester Fat Tailed Dwarf Lemur
Northern Giant Mouse Lemur
Greater bush Baby
White Fronted Lemur
White Collared Lemur
Brown Lemur
Read Fronted Lemur
Black Lemur
Sanford’s Lemur
Red-Bellied Lemur
Tattersall’s Sifaka
Diademed Sifaka
Grey Bamboo Lemur

For all other Lemurs an increase is expected

Raptor TAG 2009

Out
Black Kite
White Tailed Sea Eagle
Bearded Vulture
Indian White Backed Vulture
Eurasian Griffon
White headed Vulture
Red Headed Vulture
Eurasian Sparrowhawk
Grey Hawk
White Tailed hawk
Red backed Hawk
Jackal Buzzard
Verreaux’s Eagle
Martial Eagle
Laggar Falcon
Oriental Bay Owl
Mottled Owl

In
Hooded Vulture
Stellar’s Sea Eagle


Ratite and Tinamiformes TAG 2009 (ostrich ect)

Out
Lesser Rhea
Chilean Tinamou
Great Tinamou
Generic Ostrich

In
North African Ostrich (will ultimately replace the generic ostrich)
Little Tinamou

The info available on the switch to the North African Ostrich is very interesting. Currently three subspecies (Somali, Masai and South African) have been bred in the AZA and they want about 50 eggs to build a new genetically strong pure population. As they breed they will replace generics. As well some of the eggs will return to African to rebuild the Niger population in the wild. The eggs will come from Chad and Niger.

Rhinoceros TAG 2010

Out
Northern White Rhino

In
None

Note
If they can breed more Sumatran Rhinos they will. Unfortunately for the species that seems rather unlikely.


Rodent, Insectivore and Lagomorph TAG 2007

Out
Crested Agouti
Rock Hyrax (Procavia capensis capensis but not Procavia capensis)
Algerian hedgehog
South African hedgehog
Eastern Cottontail
Pygmy Tree Shrew
Large Tree Shrew
Paca
Prevost Squirrel
Giant Pouched Rat
White Tailed Prairie Dog
Golden Rumped Agouti
St. Vincent;s Agouti
Central Amercian Agouti
Ord’s Kangaroo Rat
Patagonian Cavy (Dolichotis salincola)
American Porcupine (Erethizon dorsatum dorsatum)
Indian Palm Squirrel
Southern Flying Squirrel (Glaucomys volans volans)
Yellow Bellied marmot
Hazel Dormouse
White Throated Woodrat
Bushie tailed woodrat
Muskrat
Grasshopper mouse
Pocket Mouse
Skily pocket mouse
White Fooded Mouse
Darwing Leaf eared Mouse
Pale giant Squirrel
Easter Gray Squirrel
Japapnese Squirrel
Varigated Squirrel
Eurasian Red Squirrel
Hispid Cotton Rat
Cururo
Rhicardson’s Ground Squirrel
Round Tailed Squirrel
13 lined Ground Squirrel
Variegated Rock Squirrel
Mexican Porcupine
Siberian Chipmunk
Eastern Chipmunk
Cape Ground Squirrel

In
Panay Cloudrunner

On the upside only 5 more groups of depression to go. That will be up sometime tomorrow if I get the chance. By sometime Saturday at the latest.
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It may be a bit depressing but it is still interesting. And it's giving me a challenge on my design a zoo. Keep it coming please. :D
 
What zoos keep Mexican Tamandua!? I thought only Southern Tamandua was kept in the U.S.?

And does anyone know what zoos keep Puerto Rican Woodpecker, Diademed Sifaka, White-Tailed Prairie Dog, and Lesser Rhea?

@TZFan, are you able to see what zoos keep what ssp of Ostrich from where you're looking?

~Thylo:cool:
 
Ill see if I can find the woodpecker ssp to see. I think theres a rhea ssp so I can probably do that. But the ostrich I know for a fact didnt have an ssp online. The tag said all ostich sub species except the north africans are to be considered and managed as one group called generic and that group is to be phased out as north africans become available. The program is likely in its infancy. Everything depends on getting a good size founder stock. The worse case was to be 10 founders. The best was 50 or more since some will probably not breed or die or might be clutchmates. It was an interesting read with some over info going over my head.
 
I may have missed it, but what drives the decision to phase out? If it's a matter of choosing which species to focus on breeding, I get it - we have a better chance of saving ostrich if we all breed North African Ostrich. But not all species in a zoo are there for an SSP. Is the reasoning more about what has been determined to survive well, what is more likely to spread disease, or what poses less danger to keepers? I'm sure it's a combination of many things, but what are the key factors?
 
TZFan said:
Ill see if I can find the woodpecker ssp to see. I think theres a rhea ssp so I can probably do that. But the ostrich I know for a fact didnt have an ssp online. The tag said all ostich sub species except the north africans are to be considered and managed as one group called generic and that group is to be phased out as north africans become available. The program is likely in its infancy. Everything depends on getting a good size founder stock. The worse case was to be 10 founders. The best was 50 or more since some will probably not breed or die or might be clutchmates. It was an interesting read with some over info going over my head.
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I would like that very much. It's a shame that the information on what Ostrich ssp is which is non-public, I'd very much like to know the ssps I've seen at different zoos, particularly Bronx. Based on a video I saw, Busch Gardens in Tampa already claimed to have North African Ostrich (they call them Red-Necked) and I know the Smithsonian National Zoo plans on obtaining the ssp.

~Thylo:cool:
 
ThylacineAlive said:
What zoos keep Mexican Tamandua!? I thought only Southern Tamandua was kept in the U.S.?

And does anyone know what zoos keep Puerto Rican Woodpecker, Diademed Sifaka, White-Tailed Prairie Dog, and Lesser Rhea?

@TZFan, are you able to see what zoos keep what ssp of Ostrich from where you're looking?

~Thylo:cool:
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Lesser Rhea are sometimes also called Darwins Rhea!But I have been tod they are a phase out species in the USA,because we are doing better with them over here in Europe!So if you have any over in the uSA pop and see them as soomn all you will have are Common or Greater Rhea depending which name you want to call them.
 
There are no Lesser Rheas in the US (aside from a possible animal in Fresno I think).
 
ThylacineAlive said:
And does anyone know what zoos keep Puerto Rican Woodpecker, Diademed Sifaka, White-Tailed Prairie Dog, and Lesser Rhea?
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The Duke Lemur Center in Durham, NC has the only captive Diademed Sifaka in the world (according to them). I have never seen the other four species.
 
TheOnlineZoo said:
The Duke Lemur Center in Durham, NC has the only captive Diademed Sifaka in the world (according to them). I have never seen the other four species.
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I can confirm that the DLC has only Coquerel's Sifaka. The last Diademed Sifaka at the center passed away last year. Europe has a strong population of Golden-crowned sifakas and there are no Silky Sifakas in captivity.
 
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