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London has got to get away from this attitude of being permanently defensive about its history, and imagining that its existing buildings can't be adapted for other animal exhibit purposes.

I would argue that it has done, and is doing, precisely this. The design briefs of recent and proposed future developments talk specifically of low-impact construction utilising and refurbishing existing old buildings where possible.

As has been pointed out earlier, a den designed to hold an adult elephant (and "Dicksie", the larger African cow in 1965, was a very big animal indeed) is more than capable of being used for one or two tapirs that need a bit of extra privacy.

There's no doubt that the building is sturdy enough, and in good enough repair, to maintain species smaller than the original occupants. Its about permission to alter, which would limit the necessary modifications for sealing off indoor areas for the tapirs where the sound and smell of the public wouldn't intrude.

But the rhino paddock is already there and I could see how it could be turned into an 'Orangutan Forest' (as it would no doubt be called.) Actually its large enough to be divided(not necessarily in equal halves) to provide exhibits for both Orangutans and another species e.g. sun bears.

The 'bring back the bears' project was ultimately a failure IMHO and I don't see ZSL taking a risk of this kind again. Really, the old rhino yards are not a large area at all, and there's no way ZSL would go near that amount of concrete with either of these.

Given the modifications made to the outdoor enclosure for the tapirs (moat and wall removed), its likely that only the building itself is listed. If this is the case, then people are looking at this in the wrong way - the outdoor land doesn't need to be served by the indoor grottoes in the Casson, but could form larger enclosures with modern, low-impact indoor housing sited some way off from the building itself.

I think a central exhibition centre is no bad thing for a zoo, and there's so little that can be done to erase the intended effect of the Casson building (it was designed to resemble a group of elephants at a waterhole, with the concrete finish designed to look like elephant hide) that the zoo should glorify the optimism of the period and use the space in a manner more celebratory of its unusual architecture rather than housing a few small to medium-sized ungulates.
 
Nice to see the correct spelling used.;)

My view of the Casson building is that since the Elephants and Rhinos left, its really been a 'White Elephant' if you will forgive the partial pun... as its difficult to overhaul it for other species.

Bristol proved a much smaller defunct Elephant/Giraffe house can be sucessfully converted for Apes and its transformation was recently fully completed. I think the London rhino dens could make suitable Orangutan exhibits- not purpose built, obviously, but they are suitable for conversion in that way. Outside a watermoated exhibit might be best(although I'm not overall in favour of them in some respects- for Orangutans a cage enclosure gives more climbing facilities) But the rhino paddock is already there and I could see how it could be turned into an 'Orangutan Forest' (as it would no doubt be called.) Actually its large enough to be divided(not necessarily in equal halves) to provide exhibits for both Orangutans and another species e.g. sun bears.

As you say, Binturong, Sun bears etc could form subsiduary exhibits in what would then become an 'Asian House'.

No I disagree RE large apes in the cason, while the former rhino indoor housing might be suitable for orangs, the outside yards are small. The moats would need widening which would further reduce the floor area for them. It would not look that disimilar to dudleys small concrete yards and that really would be ZSL regressing backwards!

I do think they could use the casson better though and the asian theme would work well. Bearded pigs on one side of the rhino pens and bairusa in the other, with crested macaques/anoa in a large mixed exhibit using the old elephant dens (where the tapirs are now), and crocodiles or pythons using the indoor pen once occupied by pygmy hippos.

Aletrnatively, it might be feasible to use the elephant side of the cason to hosue sumatran orangs, possible mixed with a lar gibbons (as has been done on the continent), and maybe otters too using the moat? It would involve significant reconstruction of the indoor areas which might not be possible given its listed status.

Another idea I had was use the outdoor rhino areas for bearded pigs/babirusa but with new housign constructed (or using the sick bay as housing), and tapirs where they are now (again using the sick bay as housing) and turn the indoor cason into a huge nocutrnal house, using the former rhino/elephant dens as huge tall glass fornted enclosures for nocturnal primates e.g. tasiers, lorises.
 
No I disagree RE large apes in the cason, while the former rhino indoor housing might be suitable for orangs, the outside yards are small. The moats would need widening which would further reduce the floor area for them. It would not look that disimilar to dudleys small concrete yards and that really would be ZSL regressing backwards!
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Just a small point- there is plenty of grassed area around the ex-rhino area to expand the current outdoor area into. Given that the old elephant area has had the wall smashed down, i would assume that listed status does not affect the outside areas!
 
Wasn't there a plan,many years ago, to expand the Casson to incorporate holding facilities for a bull elephant and breeding capacity? Surely the area around the house would not have been big enough! The structural footprint would have been huge!
 
Wasn't there a plan,many years ago, to expand the Casson to incorporate holding facilities for a bull elephant and breeding capacity? Surely the area around the house would not have been big enough!

Probably not. The idea was to extend the elephant paddock onto the Events Lawn. The Ambika Paul Children's Zoo pony paddock took up land that would have been needed for the exercise, anyway.
 
Visiting this week ... there seems to be another very recent baby Colobus monkey,
the red kangeroos have reduced in number from three to two ,
the adult lions (Lucifer and Abi) appear to being kept separate from their three daughters.
Meanwhile Melati ensured her three tiger cubs made an excusion into the paddock.
 
The new pygmy hippo enclosure has now been opened.

London Zoo Pygmy Hippos - Yorkshire Post

That's pretty good going! I was at the zoo yesterday, and there were still a large number of workmen doing various things to the enclosure...

In other news:
  • New directional signs appearing around the zoo
  • Squirrel monkey walk-through closed (not sure how long term this is)
  • Tiger cubs resolutely hidden away
  • North bank aviaries looking very sad, and ready to be knocked down. In the adjacent aviaries, there's not a huge range of species on show: four lots of tawny frogmouths, a similar number of scops owls. Great species both, but not sure why there isn't just one aviary for each on show, with the rest held off-show - and something else to be seen by visitors.
 
I went to the zoo today. The hippos moved in on Tuesday and were indoors. There was a talk at 15:30 and they said that the talk was going ahead but the hippos would be staying inside. There are loud speakers both outside and inside so you can hear the talks wherever you are. The talk was excellent with a good mix of information.

I will post photos in the gallery later today. On the whole I think it is a highly successful project. The fallen trees dividing the paddock are a great touch. The only things I didn't like are the rather large podium/look out post which will be used for talks in the summer. I think it's unnecessarily big and a bit intrusive. The other thing is the washing line. It's awful!

Inside, as you will see in the pictures the original visitor entrance is blocked off. I have made a rough sketch which shows the approximate layout inside and I'll post this later too.

Their old ex-tiger enclosure is empty. The map seems to indicate that it will be absorbed into the three island pond enclosure but I have no idea if this is actually the plan.

The flamingos were in a newly fenced off area in one corner of the three island pond enclosure.

The front info kiosk before you enter the zoo has been spruced up a bit.

And excitingly for me, there is a new map. It is produced by the same company as Antwerp's and San Diego's and is beautiful, much, much better than the previous few. Importantly, it doesn't make the zoo look half empty. I'll post a picture when I get home. It's not on their website yet.

There was a big crowd at the tiger enclosure but as of 16:00 there had been no show of female or cubs. By the way the pool isn't just drained, it's been filled with wood chips so it doesn't look too bare.
 
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Shirokuma; Their old ex-tiger enclosure is empty. The map seems to indicate that it will be absorbed into the three island pond enclosure but I have no idea if this is actually the pl.[/QUOTE said:
I hope very much that you are wrong about this, it would be ridiculous to give up a decent sized enclosure, suitable for a medium sized cat or other carnivore! I thought it was part of the new lion enclosure, which had irritated me enough .
 
A washing line with T shirts with various messages/projects printed on them.
I would describe it better had I spent longer looking at - but frankly at first glance it seemed pretty hideous & distracting. Unless it's to hide the Hippos from the outside road users it seems very strange.
 
I've posted the pictures now.

Here is a rough sketch of the interior:

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I have to say I am pretty impressed with the new pygmy hippo area. I could even welcome it this way permanently all hands down. It has spruced up the entrance to Into Africa so much so!

Interpretative signs are informative and fun to read (and I thought the washing line was actually a fun idea …, well opinions differ). The outlay and design of indoor exhibits is well thought out and both have access to pools. The outdoor yards have seen a complete transformation and brought a well thought out living area for both pygmy hippos when on exhibit.

Very nice, on the whole!


I suspect on your visit the hippos were still confined indoors. Allthough food was left outside …?
 
Are the dens on the other side of the house, nearest the Giraffes, still there? I'm assuming that they're masked by the screen - is that right?
 
Thanks for posting the photographs, and sketching out the new interior (and hi). I have mixed feelings about what ZSL are doing here.

Good points:

- The splitting of the outside enclosure into two again (although not over the same boundary) and, from your sketch, what appears to be the division into three sections of what was the (recently-added) indoor tapir pool. Should the hippos need to be separated, its encouraging they will both have access to outdoor areas, and indoor pools.

- The secluded appearance of the indoor 'show den'.

Bad points:

- The outside footprint was already very small for an animal that wil graze heavily. Either the zoo will alternate the (generally compatible) pair between these enclosures, leaving one to recover while the other is in use, or they will use them both fully and just let them turn to mud/add woodchip after the grass is gone. I'm surprised they even bothered to turf the area to be honest.

- It doesn't appear the enclosure extends beyond the original perimeters, linking the enclosure to any further areas (it would have been easy to create a fenced/gated corridor along the top path to part of the woodland walk, in a similar fashion to Whipsnade, to provide grazing. It may be that there could be planning permission or licensing issues with using the south canal bank for new animal enclosures (the key word being 'new'), but there's no reason why corridors couldn't instead have been created across the front of the house to give night access to the other Cotton terrace enclosures. While grazing is pretty thin on the ground (with the exception of the okapi paddock), it would still have addressed the issue of space and at least given the animals more opportunity to at least forage for grazing.

- The new entrance into the hippo house uses two of the indoor dens, which could otherwise have been used as indoor space for the hippos. One of the redeeming features of this enclosure (and was true while it held Malayan tapir), was that the large amount of indoor space compensated significantly for the lack of outdoor space in colder weather. While this was not intentional (the Cotton Terraces were an intense example of how London exhibited species in rotation within the same outside enclosure but was left with a vast amounts of unused indoor accommodation when this ended), it was fortuitous and I believe contributed to their success with the tapirs.
If there were steps down into the public area of the building originally, I understand why it may have been easier to create indoor viewing on the same level as the enclosure in line with legislation, but it halves the potential indoor area available to the animals. It is also possible that the zoo wished to heat a smaller area rather than the whole house, but again it can be argued that there were other ways to do this without giving over enclosure space (such as a raised public corridor alongside and on the level of the indoor stalls).

- Given this is clearly not the appearance of something meant to be temporary (relatively speaking), it has implications for the neighbouring animals. From these photos, its hard not to coclude that it is clear that ZSL have no short-term plans to extend the giraffe enclosure using the Decimus Burton house (although I await the next Masterplan), so I am resigned to hoping that they send away the remaining giraffe, along with the zebra (which have no grazing, with the exception of limited night access to the patches of grass in the giraffe yard in summer), and concentrate on the okapi. It must be remembered that, since 'Into Africa' opened, the okapi may have had a superficially more attractive enclosure, but when they were in their original exhibit (now the zebra enclosure), the outdoor area could potentially be separated into three sections, and there was double the indoor accommodation with access to one side of the giraffe house. Currently, if the female is with a calf and the male is separated, they have to rotate them within one outside enclosure. There is also no potential for an off-exhibit outdoor space, when the old enclosures provided this with the yard at the back. With at least one adult showing signs of stereotypic bar and branch sucking behaviour, I think decorating the metal gates with liana wood doesn't really cut it.

The hippo exhibit does look aesthetically-pleasing, works on an educational and contextual level in terms of the wider work of the charity, but reflecting on the journey these two animals have had: when they arrived at the zoo, they occupied a large a semi-wooded paddock combining half of the westerly section of the stork and ostrich house, combined over the fomer visitor path with the old sea lion pond. Granted, there was no indoor pool and so they were moved to the Casson every winter, but I would argue that this new enclosure is one of the smallest land areas they have had (especially if separated or rotated between the two sides), and the outdoor pools are much smaller than the old sea lion pond, which they used to make full use of in summer.

While there may be issues with one or both animals pre-dating their arrival or beyond the control of the zoo, London is arguably the least productive holder of this species in the UK over the last 15 years. Maybe others can correct me, but I don't even know of unsuccessful births from this pair, whereas even other UK collections where no successful rearing has taken place have at least recorded successful matings resulting in pregnancies. Possibly they are not genetically-important animals within the EEP, fine, but the press release that went out this week included keepers earnestly suggesting the new enclosure was part of their attempt to breed the hippos. This is disingenous, unless London has been keeping them on contraception all this time until they could house them in a habitat where they could accommodate a calf. I don't really believe this (males can be sent elsewhere), but am actually thankful that this pair appear to be mixed for much of the time without issue, meaning the already compact spaces offered them are not reduced even further through their separation the majority of the time. Given the long lifespan of hippo, it seems strange
that ZSL will continue to attempt to breed from this pair. I'm not aware whether either animal has
been sent temporarily on breeding loan elsewhere, but it would seem strange if there weren't some
other attempts being made to trigger breeding.

I don't want to appear too gloomy, obviously there are significant improvements to the hippos' welfare compared to them being housed in the old tiger cage, but I do think that criticism is important where it is due.
 
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CZ, I more or less expect the giraffe and zebra to eventually fold from the Terraces completely. It looks to me increasingly likely that this part of the zoo will be given over to the Congo and that a species like the bongo might be making a comeback here.

On the current statistics of ZSL Regent's Park pair or historically how well they rate with breeding and their respective importance in the EEP I must do some further research.

Perhaps Tim May can tell you off the top of his head!
 
I agree that parts of the Cottons have seen better days but, with loss of the chimps, orangs, bears, rhino and elephants (to name a few) plus the VIP money they generate, would London dare risk getting rid of giraffe considering they have such a long history with them?

What needs addressing, in my opinion, is the Snowdon Aviary-looking very tired indeed!
 
Re the new Hippo area-I think as long as they can immerse themselves and swim, then the size, shape and area of water space may be less important than the overall area available for grazing. The turfed areas are obviously cosmetic for the opening, but I can foresee them quickly getting overgrazed even if the grass grows. As CZ says above,if it gets muddy, will they then revert to bark/woodchipping the whole area?

I can't see them allowing the Hippos access to the other paddocks either- which have minimal or no grass anyway- whether they can graze depends on how they treat their existing grassed area and if it gets overused and reduced to a mudpatch, in time possibly they will just have no grass at all- again, as in their previous enclosures.

The 'washing line' just seems odd- another cosmetic brainwave no doubt with a 'message'- my guess is it will deteriorate with time and then quietly disappear at some stage.

I really can't see the Giraffe leaving- surely there would be uproar at the loss of such a perennial favourite here?
 
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