Around a dozen times, just after the elephant arrived. Met all of the permanent staff, but never met anyone named Jenny.
Franklin Zoo (Closed) Elephant Kills Woman at Franklin Zoo
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Can you, or Jenny, answer these simple questions please?
Are Franklin Zoo going to turn their noses up at the offer of a FREE crate,FREE transport to the airport, and someone who can communicate with Jumbo [or Mila] and load into said crate WITHOUT TRAUMA?
Why does it matter what methods are used, as long as they are in the best interests of the animal?
frankwilliam
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Jenny wants to film the entire shipping episode and have a team of people travel with jumbo , she has told Tony is is to have no publicity at all on his involvement and the shipping wont be confirmed to the media until jumbo is at the airport and on her way ,its a whole Animal rights saga , but i can tell you that Tony will not be part of any of that carry on , it has come to the point where Tony doesnt want a bar of the crating etc , it has to be done on certain conditions already set down by a legal person , if an ELEPHANT MANAGER is employed in the matter , you can all rest assured Tony will do nothing , what ever the money offered , if any , it will not persuade him one inch . Jenny is very nasty in her approach to the matter , but then we wonder if she has people behind her calling the shots , I think that maybe more to the point .
frankwilliam
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As a matter of fact i own BOYNTON FREIGHT and i would be prepared to carry Jumbo in her care free of charge to the airport , but then Robin and Tony have access to Trucks , so the freight to the air port would never be an issue , i think the entire issue can be done and the money is there , its the CHUNG and anti brigade that is the stumbling block , I wish they would leave jumbo where she is , the entire journey from start to finish is going to be stress after stress for her , she would have been better travelling with the circus , no matter how primitive it may appear to all of the antis , she was more than well cared for , and loved by a man who knew how to care for and keep jumbo safe .
frankwilliam
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care should be crate .
I would like to hear the reason why FZ could not accept the offers on the table for transport /care / crate etc. Or FZ could negotiate?
If money is short, as it obviously is, then its a no brainer surely?
Free transport, free crate, free assistance..............................
frankwilliam
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Tony told me in 1958 BULLENS CIRCUS bought a very badly handled elephant from AUCKLAND ZOO , Kassala , she was not used of travel , crating , any out side noises like fire engines etc , they toured her through N.Z. and then back to Australia on a ship , no Zoo keeper even in todays world at Auckland or any oz zoo would do that , the Bullens etc were good with any elephant including a bull , and Tony worked for those people and is in that mould , the tougher the elephant the better he loves them , wake up , Franklin and stop the lies , posturing , and money laundering
As you can see by my previous posts, I have an open mind regarding the future arrangements for Jumbo.
We all want what is best for Jumbo, and for it to happen as soon as possible.
BUT, and this is a big but.............................
Why, did Tony Ratcliffe keep Jumbo for 30 years?
I dont understand why someone who has a genuine love for an animal would cart it around for 30 years...............oh, yes. it was for the money!
So poor Jumbo is dragged from Africa, plonked in London zoo, shipped to Honolulu zoo.
Then used in NZ to make money for someone for 30 years,but in the end, just like the contributors of the ****** pension funds of UK, she finds herself destitute.
Its a pity your conscience didnt prick you 20 yrs ago Tony and let Jumbo retire then!
Yes, thats right, I dont agree with a circus having animals in it. If you must have a circus, then have performing humans,at least they can decide if they want to stay or not.
So, if Jenny is using Jumbo to make some money that is exactly what everyone else has used her for all of her life.
The human race has many reasons to hang its head in shame, this is one more for the list.
the answer is pretty obvious, he liked working with animals, particularly elephants. He worked as a zoo keeper, he owned and ran his own drive through lion park for a short while, he has certainly travelled the world and viewed elephants in the wild.
I have had mixed encounters with Tony in the past, I found him at times very obliging and open, and at others quite abrupt and obstructive. Although I have to say he was never as bad as some of the animal rights protesters who harassed him.
The reason he hauled the elephant all over the country was because circuses with animals were the norm back in those days, its only in the last decade or so that circuses with animal acts have fallen out of favour.
Just as circuses have changed, so have zoos. At one time most zoos got their animals from the wild, and let them in unsuitable cages. Zoo lions could spend their entire lives in a cage not much bigger than the cage used to transport circus lions.
Times change, and with it people's opinions and beliefs on what is right and wrong for animals.
One of the best known zoo keepers in the world, Gerald Durrell, began his zoo by catching animals in the wild. And anyone who thinks animals can be caught in the wild without suffering is pretty naive.
frankwilliam
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WELL SAID KIWIPO, Tony had talked to many sanctuaries in Africa , and gave several of his contacts to Harry WEBER , the African people were not interested in jumbo , and advised Tony that jumbo was better off with him , infact he had elephants offered to him , he supports Franklin ZOO in their sending Jumbo to AMERICA , BUT HE DOES NOT HOLD TO ALL THE LIES AND DEFAMATION ABOUT CIRCUSES and Jumbo , and yess we all agree times have changed , but Animals do have a right to be in the circus if well cared for , and we do not subscibe to the ant brigade lying propoganda .
frankwilliam
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the time for talking is over and who cares who does the crating if jumbo is not distressed , drugged , pulled in by force , they should just get on with the job , I am surprised Auckland ZOO elephant keepers have not put their hands up and done the entire project , but i suppose they have their own worries with new elephants coming in to join their lone elephant , Tony talks well of Andrew Coers , being the man to lead the project , then that is only his opinion , and who would listen to him :?
I am 65 years old and I will ALWAYS believe that the place for any animal is in the wild, not in a zoo and definitely not in a circus.
If animals are driven to extinction by mans stupidity and ignorance, then so be it,more fool man.
Well said.
Just because a few ignorant men drive animals to extinction is that any reason why the rest of us should stand by and let them do it.
When the Javan tiger was endangered the suggestion was made to catch some and keep them in zoos, but that was vetoed in favour of preserving them in the wild. Now they are all extinct.
The Sammatron tiger is nearly extinct in the wild, as is the indian lion, with only a few hundred left of each. But if they died out completely through man's intervention we will still have them alive in captivity.
It's a very short sighted view that all wild animals should be kept in the wild, and anyone who believes that is a fool.
I know that she has worked in the reception, and sometimes checked on the animals at night.
Sumatran tiger.
Is it better to keep Sumatran tigers captive in an enclosure, leading a life of being fed dead turkeys etc, selective breeding, constantly moving them between zoos?
Just so the public can gawp at them.
You think so....I dont think so.
Me? Not necessarily, I was just quoting a previous post.
Apologies, I see that now.
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