Blackduiker
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Snowleopard, I am visiting zoos I've never seen before through your reviews. And Cleveland's species list sounds very impressive.
....and North America’s ONLY pair of dingoes resides in a separate exhibit towards the end of the walk-through area.
Snowleopard are these the only pair in all of North America? Or are they the only pair on ISIS?
One thing I also found interesting was I reread America's Best Zoos Buffalo section last night and one of their featured exhibits was the gorillas.
Well if you notice, that book does not say one negative word about any exhibit anywhere. I challenged the authors on this after I visited the disgusting feline house at Denver, wondering why they didn't comment on how it needs to be improved, and one of them emailed me back and said they wanted to keep everything positive.
They are the only dingoes in any North American zoo that I know of! They used to have dingoes at the Kansas City Zoo, but they replaced them with New Guinea singing dogs. I think the same happened at Zoo Miami.
Wow I spent the afternoon catching up on Snowleopards trip and I must admit I am going crazy in here.I have been stuck on the couch the whole summer with a broken leg.I need to get to some zoos.We have gotten to Cleveland our home zoo about once a week,Bonnie hates having to push me around by the way.I got my cast off yesterday and start physical therapy next week so I cant wait to get to some of our favorite zoos.We are going to Dallas in october very excited for that too.Well Snowleopard sounds like a great trip so far I love reading your reviews and got a question which primate facility do you think is worse Cleveland PCA or Milwaukee
Marty from Team Tapir
AZ Docent, I don't think those were my exact words. Our book is a travel guidebook -- not a overly critical review, so yes, we did try to stay on the positive side most of the time. But it's not true that we never said anything negative about any zoo exhibits. We usually tried to use more guarded terms, saying a zoo's section was "outdated" or "unattractive". Our goal was (and still is) to persuade the public to get out and visit the leading zoos in America, including those that are less than perfect, like Buffalo.
Most of the time, however, when looking at a zoo exhibit like Buffalo's gorilla habitat, our view was that there are different viewpoints. Of course we knew there are folks like SnowLeopard, who look at great ape exhibits with Woodland Park's wonderful gorilla exhibit as his gold standard. My friend SnowLeopard clearly believes that any exhibit where the apes are kept permanently indoors is a bad exhibit. That is clear from his review of Buffalo, Cleveland, Fort Wayne, and from his past scathing review of Brookfield's Tropic World. I certainly have a lot of sympathy for this opinion, as I too really enjoy seeing gorillas outside on a rolling grassy plain, such as in Zoo Atlanta's Ford African Rain Forest. But, on the other hand, this is not the only way of looking at things. Even on this site, Blospz has repeatedly defended Buffalo's gorilla habitat, saying "I don't think it's horrible". I would agree, and point out that both the Buffalo Zoo itself and a national television show ("Animal Exploration" with Jarod Miller) are not at all embarrassed by this habitat. The show recently (just a couple months ago) did an extended clip spotlighting Buffalo's gorillas, with all footage shot within this exhibit. Honestly, it didn't look bad on TV. They also did scenes from the elephant habitat (with SnowLeopard also panned harshly), the Reptile building, and of course the new rain forest building.
My point is NOT to put down SnowLeopard or his amazing reviews. He knows that I regard him (and his family) as real friends! Like everyone else here, I love following their adventures. (Everyday I check the weather reports for the next few days of their trip.) I'm merely saying that we all have our own personal views and biases. In SnowLeopard's view, he hates indoor ape exhibits and rocky grottoes. In my view, I dislike exhibits where they build in so many "hiding places" for the animals that most of the time visitors can not see them. We slightly disagree in some of our views. But that doesn't make either of us "right" or "wrong".
My signed copy of "America's Best Zoos" has pages falling out of both the front and back sections, a tattered cover, and loads of pen marks as I circle all of the zoos and highly-rated exhibits that I see.